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I agree, it's not surprising given birth control and economic pressures to join the workforce, but it is new and distinctly modern, and writing it off as "some

I agree, it's not surprising given birth control and economic pressures to join the workforce, but it is new and distinctly modern, and writing it off as "some people just don't want kids" isn't a satisfactory explanation. Something is deeply wrong in a society if it has all of the social safety net tools, like Finland does, to ease the burdens of childbearing and people still choose to not do it. It's a society in a slow, generations long suicide.

ChatGTP 3y ago
The future looks bleak for humans. It might not be in fact but it looks that way. Climate change and “AI” disruption or worse…it takes a special individual to want to bring a person into these situations. People do, I did, but it’s not easy.
- remarkEon 3y ago
  The future always looks bleak for humans, which is just part of the human experience. But today, we have the most material and technological abundance in history and people gesture vaguely at a long term time horizon problem and think "it's over". It was "over" during the Great Depression, and it was over before that during Spanish Flu. And before that during the Thirty Years War and the Black Death, and so on back to the Great Floods of mythology. Luckily, they didn't give up.
hotpotamus 3y ago
If society is already committing a fast suicide by destroying the habitability of the Earth, then doesn't it seem rational? Like imagine a meteor was going to destroy the Earth in a year - would it make sense to have children? 10 years? 100?
- remarkEon 3y ago
  >If society is already committing a fast suicide by destroying the habitability of the Earth This sort of absurd hyperbole is a good sign you've been propagandized into believing something for the benefit of others.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    Fast is a pretty relative term when it comes to geological and even civilizational time, so I don't know how absurd the hyperbole is, but I would say that I harbor deep sorrow for the children born within the last few years. I don't know who it benefits if I believe that making significant alterations to the carbon content of the atmosphere of the Earth will have significant consequences (I don't feel much benefit from believing it; I wish I didn't), but I do see parties who stand to gain by denying it. I'd also love to believe in god and that there is meaning to any of this, but that does not mean that it is so. Already where I live (South Texas) I can feel the effects - I've lived long enough to see the summers go from hot to dangerous, and the droughts become more severe; my co-worker's well literally ran dry a few weeks ago and he is far from alone. Running out of water will focus one on what is important. I take zero joy in it, but the more I learn, the more I understand that humanity is living on borrowed time (not that different from an individual human I suppose), and we should try and enjoy the time that is left.

ChatGTP 3y ago

The future looks bleak for humans. It might not be in fact but it looks that way. Climate change and “AI” disruption or worse…it takes a special individual to want to bring a person into these situations. People do, I did, but it’s not easy.

remarkEon 3y ago
The future always looks bleak for humans, which is just part of the human experience. But today, we have the most material and technological abundance in history and people gesture vaguely at a long term time horizon problem and think "it's over". It was "over" during the Great Depression, and it was over before that during Spanish Flu. And before that during the Thirty Years War and the Black Death, and so on back to the Great Floods of mythology. Luckily, they didn't give up.

hotpotamus 3y ago

If society is already committing a fast suicide by destroying the habitability of the Earth, then doesn't it seem rational? Like imagine a meteor was going to destroy the Earth in a year - would it make sense to have children? 10 years? 100?

remarkEon 3y ago
>If society is already committing a fast suicide by destroying the habitability of the Earth This sort of absurd hyperbole is a good sign you've been propagandized into believing something for the benefit of others.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  Fast is a pretty relative term when it comes to geological and even civilizational time, so I don't know how absurd the hyperbole is, but I would say that I harbor deep sorrow for the children born within the last few years. I don't know who it benefits if I believe that making significant alterations to the carbon content of the atmosphere of the Earth will have significant consequences (I don't feel much benefit from believing it; I wish I didn't), but I do see parties who stand to gain by denying it. I'd also love to believe in god and that there is meaning to any of this, but that does not mean that it is so. Already where I live (South Texas) I can feel the effects - I've lived long enough to see the summers go from hot to dangerous, and the droughts become more severe; my co-worker's well literally ran dry a few weeks ago and he is far from alone. Running out of water will focus one on what is important. I take zero joy in it, but the more I learn, the more I understand that humanity is living on borrowed time (not that different from an individual human I suppose), and we should try and enjoy the time that is left.