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This is not clear at all. Perhaps people who don't want kids will die out, but if this is a cultural issue that affects our basic human instincts, it could be s

by zpeti 3y ago

This is not clear at all. Perhaps people who don't want kids will die out, but if this is a cultural issue that affects our basic human instincts, it could be something that is extremely hard to fix. Perhaps in modern society, whatever you do, people only want 1-1.5 kids? If that's the case, without a radical cultural change, humans are basically going extinct.

qvrjuec 3y ago
> whatever you do, people only want 1-1.5 kids? This is definitely not true. Look at the fertility rates of any of the aforementioned cultures. Humans will never go extinct because they're making the conscious choice to do so...
logicchains 3y ago
>Perhaps in modern society, whatever you do, people only want 1-1.5 kids? This clearly isn't true because the Amish and Ultra-orthodox Jews still want/have 7-8 kids, and they live in modern society. I'm not sure about the Ultra-orthodox, but the Amish are certainly capable of sustaining their standards of living even if the rest of America dies out, so humanity wouldn't go extinct, it'd just become 100% Amish (and whatever other cultures are able to maintain persistently high fertility rates).
- FooBarBizBazz 3y ago
  Amish do need to expand to new land though. They're priced out of the Lancaster homeland. But they don't want expensive urban real estate, so it's ok. Down side: They're apparently involved in deforestation of remote parts of the Amazon for that reason. Up side: They're bringing life to some remote parts of the US you wouldn't think of.
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    In upstate NY they seem to be creating new "colonies", I used to see them with their horse carriages in the area around the old Seneca Army Depot, now I am seeing them around Marathon (which really is about 26 miles from Ithaca.)
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  > This clearly isn't true because the Amish and Ultra-orthodox Jews still want/have 7-8 kids, and they live in modern society. Give Amish and Ultra Orthodox Jewish women financial independence and see how many kids they have.

by zpeti 3y ago

qvrjuec 3y ago

> whatever you do, people only want 1-1.5 kids? This is definitely not true. Look at the fertility rates of any of the aforementioned cultures. Humans will never go extinct because they're making the conscious choice to do so...

logicchains 3y ago

>Perhaps in modern society, whatever you do, people only want 1-1.5 kids? This clearly isn't true because the Amish and Ultra-orthodox Jews still want/have 7-8 kids, and they live in modern society. I'm not sure about the Ultra-orthodox, but the Amish are certainly capable of sustaining their standards of living even if the rest of America dies out, so humanity wouldn't go extinct, it'd just become 100% Amish (and whatever other cultures are able to maintain persistently high fertility rates).

FooBarBizBazz 3y ago
Amish do need to expand to new land though. They're priced out of the Lancaster homeland. But they don't want expensive urban real estate, so it's ok. Down side: They're apparently involved in deforestation of remote parts of the Amazon for that reason. Up side: They're bringing life to some remote parts of the US you wouldn't think of.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  In upstate NY they seem to be creating new "colonies", I used to see them with their horse carriages in the area around the old Seneca Army Depot, now I am seeing them around Marathon (which really is about 26 miles from Ithaca.)
lotsofpulp 3y ago
> This clearly isn't true because the Amish and Ultra-orthodox Jews still want/have 7-8 kids, and they live in modern society. Give Amish and Ultra Orthodox Jewish women financial independence and see how many kids they have.