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This is a fail on the policing. A report of an alleged crime should always be marked. Of course they don't want to do their job, or collect statistics that migh

This is a fail on the policing. A report of an alleged crime should always be marked. Of course they don't want to do their job, or collect statistics that might show they're not doing their job. Also, whatever happened to the 'believe her' campaign? This is the same pattern of issue, people disbelieving the victim of a crime.

multjoy 3y ago
This is relates to England, where the recording of crime is subject to very specific rules (Home Office Counting Rules) because of the issue of the police under-recording crime. Under these circumstances, the author isn't the victim of the crime - the parcel hasn't been delivered so the victim is Amazon. Under HOCR, 3rd party reports can only be taken for rape offences (unless the 3rd party has specific connections, like a parent/guardian). Amazon know this and they will eventually back down when the case is escalated to someone who knows what they're doing.
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nitwit005 3y ago
What would the crime be? The most likely thing to have happened is the delivery person delivered it to the wrong location.
voxic11 3y ago
The author doesn't claim to be a victim of a crime though. So you are actually arguing that the police should turn people who don't believe they are victims into victims just for the purpose of making police reports. That seems directly opposed to the spirit of "believing the victim". All the author is claiming is that their package wasn't delivered. Packages fail to be delivered all the time but that doesn't mean some crime is occurring in every instance. Even if you take the "delivered to receptionist" as evidence of a crime the author was still not a victim. The item was stolen from the courier not the author. I think more importantly it doesn't matter if the package failed to be delivered due to a criminal act or a simple mistake. In either case Amazon is equally required to offer redress, so obtaining a police report is a red herring.
- 7952 3y ago
  Exactly. They act like their responsibility is to dispatch one instance of an item. When actually it is to deliver one instance of an item. Sometimes that means they have to dispatch the item twice and that is not the customers problem.
justinclift 3y ago
Perhaps it should be reframed as "Amazon has stolen $ from me"?
halJordan 3y ago
It's a little much to just say we cannot question people who claim they're a victim. Sexual assault is especially heinous so should have especial consideration. But frankly its absurb to say that we cannot question the dude who got his package and then claimed it was never delivered just because there's an antibusiness zeitgeist going around
- hattmall 3y ago
  Of course we need to question victims, the idea that we shouldn't is completely backwards. Especially sexual assault, victims not being able to withstand questioning is an element of what allows perpetrators to not be caught. Victims need to be expecting investigation into their claims and ready to provide reasonable evidence and reporting in a timely manner.
Guvante 3y ago
So the problem is you as the receiver can't say the package was stolen only that you didn't receive it. If you have a porch camera that shows a theft then that is reportable. "Amazon says they delivered it but they didn't" could be a paperwork screw up.
- maerF0x0 3y ago
  Idk if it applies in this specific case, but usually when my package is delivered there is a photo from the carrier. Would that not be evidence?
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    That lack of such a photo isn't evidence. The presence of such a photo is also not evidence that the package was actually delivered -- there are numerous cases of the delivery people putting the package down, taking the photo, then immediately stealing it. So, if I were the police, I wouldn't really put much stock in those photos at all. Surveillance camera footage, however, is a different story.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > The presence of such a photo is also not evidence that the package was actually delivered It is evidence. It is not irrefutable proof, but then evidence usually isn’t.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        True. I should have said it's "weak evidence".
    - Guvante 3y ago
      I don't know why a photo wouldn't be evidence. The delivery person stealing doesn't make it not theft.
      - 3y ago

multjoy 3y ago

This is relates to England, where the recording of crime is subject to very specific rules (Home Office Counting Rules) because of the issue of the police under-recording crime. Under these circumstances, the author isn't the victim of the crime - the parcel hasn't been delivered so the victim is Amazon. Under HOCR, 3rd party reports can only be taken for rape offences (unless the 3rd party has specific connections, like a parent/guardian). Amazon know this and they will eventually back down when the case is escalated to someone who knows what they're doing.

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nitwit005 3y ago

What would the crime be? The most likely thing to have happened is the delivery person delivered it to the wrong location.

voxic11 3y ago

The author doesn't claim to be a victim of a crime though. So you are actually arguing that the police should turn people who don't believe they are victims into victims just for the purpose of making police reports. That seems directly opposed to the spirit of "believing the victim". All the author is claiming is that their package wasn't delivered. Packages fail to be delivered all the time but that doesn't mean some crime is occurring in every instance. Even if you take the "delivered to receptionist" as evidence of a crime the author was still not a victim. The item was stolen from the courier not the author. I think more importantly it doesn't matter if the package failed to be delivered due to a criminal act or a simple mistake. In either case Amazon is equally required to offer redress, so obtaining a police report is a red herring.

7952 3y ago
Exactly. They act like their responsibility is to dispatch one instance of an item. When actually it is to deliver one instance of an item. Sometimes that means they have to dispatch the item twice and that is not the customers problem.

justinclift 3y ago

Perhaps it should be reframed as "Amazon has stolen $ from me"?

halJordan 3y ago

It's a little much to just say we cannot question people who claim they're a victim. Sexual assault is especially heinous so should have especial consideration. But frankly its absurb to say that we cannot question the dude who got his package and then claimed it was never delivered just because there's an antibusiness zeitgeist going around

hattmall 3y ago
Of course we need to question victims, the idea that we shouldn't is completely backwards. Especially sexual assault, victims not being able to withstand questioning is an element of what allows perpetrators to not be caught. Victims need to be expecting investigation into their claims and ready to provide reasonable evidence and reporting in a timely manner.

Guvante 3y ago

So the problem is you as the receiver can't say the package was stolen only that you didn't receive it. If you have a porch camera that shows a theft then that is reportable. "Amazon says they delivered it but they didn't" could be a paperwork screw up.

maerF0x0 3y ago
Idk if it applies in this specific case, but usually when my package is delivered there is a photo from the carrier. Would that not be evidence?
- JohnFen 3y ago
  That lack of such a photo isn't evidence. The presence of such a photo is also not evidence that the package was actually delivered -- there are numerous cases of the delivery people putting the package down, taking the photo, then immediately stealing it. So, if I were the police, I wouldn't really put much stock in those photos at all. Surveillance camera footage, however, is a different story.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > The presence of such a photo is also not evidence that the package was actually delivered It is evidence. It is not irrefutable proof, but then evidence usually isn’t.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      True. I should have said it's "weak evidence".
  - Guvante 3y ago
    I don't know why a photo wouldn't be evidence. The delivery person stealing doesn't make it not theft.
    - 3y ago