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> Honestly, I think they’re all going to get away with it with zero repercussion. Suppose for a moment that I completely agree with you on all points of substa

> Honestly, I think they’re all going to get away with it with zero repercussion. Suppose for a moment that I completely agree with you on all points of substance. Even then, I would have to tell you that corporations are designed (not metaphorically, but literally designed) to deflect and shield liability. There never is anyone to be held accountable, because everyone who acts is an employee, and the ownership is divided among millions of people, through many layers of misdirection. None of whom make any decisions. Unless you were careful, and if you have a 401K, you yourself may in fact be part owner. Or owner of an owner of an owner of an owner. Should you be held accountable? You can't arrest a corporation. You can't put it in a holding cell overnight. You can't sentence it to prison for 10 years. You definitely can't give it the death penalty and execute it. And it's no accident this is the case. The major (and perhaps only real) difference between a corporation and simpler business customs is that the corporation is this magical wall between the owner and the business that can't usually be breached. If the business goes bankrupt, no one can seize the businessman's home as collateral. That's what a corporation is for. You live in a society that, however upset it might be over climate change, isn't upset at all over this "design". They like it. They revel in it. And it's not going away. > If humanity is still around in a couple hundred years, there might be retroactive virtue signalling. But that doesn’t matter cause everyone responsible will be long since dead. But that's already true from a pragmatic standpoint. Even the CEO now, he was hired in a few years ago, He's just some schlub taking the jobs he knows how to do, without any real power to change what you want. If he tried, they'd fire him and get another. The people who set the ball rolling made sure of that. And even they aren't guilty in any real way, either, unless you want to pretend that someone in the early 1900s should have known better.

sobkas 3y ago
Then civil forfeiture every dollar and every thing they own. For some reason police can do it to the poor, why not do the same for corporations and people making decisions there? Maybe executives are "not guilty", but their possessions doesn't have same rights as they do. So take it all away.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Everything who owns? The corporation? What you think is a harsh fine, even "everything they own" is nothing more than the cost of doing business. Even if you seize a few tens of billions of dollars, what's that compared to the trillions they've earned and paid out as dividends over the last century? > For some reason police can do it to the poor, Which is an interesting discussion if you wanted to have it, but is not even slightly relevant to this one. What do you expect the police to do with oil rigs and tanker fleets and refineries and gas stations? What do you expect them to do with office buildings filled with conference rooms and thousand dollar conference room chairs? Do you want to pile it into a big bonfire and burn it ironically? Do you put it in a landfill and bulldoze them under the ground? Do you want to sell that stuff on Craigslist yard-sale style for the next 60 years at a penny on the dollar? Not to mention now you've put a 100,000 people out of work, probably more. I guess making them starve because they took a gas station job is justice in your mind. > but their possessions doesn't have same rights as they do. So take it all away. The interesting thing about "just fuck their rights" apoplectic outbursts like yours is, someone's likely to take you up on it someday. You're just likely to be the target more than whoever it is you think you hate. The sad fact is that none of this can ever be fixed until some large fraction of humanity understands the problem. I've done my part, but you insist on remaining ignorant.
  - jonahrd 3y ago
    I don't fully agree with parent poster, but the questions in your comments begged for some legitimate answers: > What do you expect them to do with office buildings filled with conference rooms and thousand dollar conference room chairs? Turn them into public housing, public spaces, publicly funded cafeterias, etc. > Not to mention now you've put a 100,000 people out of work, probably more. I guess making them starve Now with the excess in housing and all these public spaces and cafeterias, maybe it wont be as necessary for people to hang on to fulltime work.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
      > Now with the excess Like, with just the corporate headquarters of Shell, you've somehow created an excess in housing? > maybe it wont be as necessary for people to hang on to fulltime work. ... To the point that they won't have to work for a living?!

sobkas 3y ago

Then civil forfeiture every dollar and every thing they own. For some reason police can do it to the poor, why not do the same for corporations and people making decisions there? Maybe executives are "not guilty", but their possessions doesn't have same rights as they do. So take it all away.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
Everything who owns? The corporation? What you think is a harsh fine, even "everything they own" is nothing more than the cost of doing business. Even if you seize a few tens of billions of dollars, what's that compared to the trillions they've earned and paid out as dividends over the last century? > For some reason police can do it to the poor, Which is an interesting discussion if you wanted to have it, but is not even slightly relevant to this one. What do you expect the police to do with oil rigs and tanker fleets and refineries and gas stations? What do you expect them to do with office buildings filled with conference rooms and thousand dollar conference room chairs? Do you want to pile it into a big bonfire and burn it ironically? Do you put it in a landfill and bulldoze them under the ground? Do you want to sell that stuff on Craigslist yard-sale style for the next 60 years at a penny on the dollar? Not to mention now you've put a 100,000 people out of work, probably more. I guess making them starve because they took a gas station job is justice in your mind. > but their possessions doesn't have same rights as they do. So take it all away. The interesting thing about "just fuck their rights" apoplectic outbursts like yours is, someone's likely to take you up on it someday. You're just likely to be the target more than whoever it is you think you hate. The sad fact is that none of this can ever be fixed until some large fraction of humanity understands the problem. I've done my part, but you insist on remaining ignorant.
- jonahrd 3y ago
  I don't fully agree with parent poster, but the questions in your comments begged for some legitimate answers: > What do you expect them to do with office buildings filled with conference rooms and thousand dollar conference room chairs? Turn them into public housing, public spaces, publicly funded cafeterias, etc. > Not to mention now you've put a 100,000 people out of work, probably more. I guess making them starve Now with the excess in housing and all these public spaces and cafeterias, maybe it wont be as necessary for people to hang on to fulltime work.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    > Now with the excess Like, with just the corporate headquarters of Shell, you've somehow created an excess in housing? > maybe it wont be as necessary for people to hang on to fulltime work. ... To the point that they won't have to work for a living?!