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My brief experience of living in Germany says that they're doing a better job of integrating immigrants. In Sweden they're basically dumped in a suburb and igno

by codr7 3y ago

My brief experience of living in Germany says that they're doing a better job of integrating immigrants. In Sweden they're basically dumped in a suburb and ignored, until they start blowing things up that is.

the_third_wave 3y ago
> they're basically dumped in a suburb They are not "dumped in a suburb" by the authorities but actively choose to move there. This is made possible by a law - EBO or "eget boende" (own accommodations) - which gives asylum seekers and their relatives the right to choose their own domicile. The current government wants to abolish this law [1] since it makes it harder to integrate/assimilate people who end up living in ethnically segregated areas. [1] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-vill-avveckla-ebo-lagen-forsvarat-integrationen https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-vill-avveckla-...
- codr7 3y ago
  It's not like they have much of a choice, though. I'm pretty sure many would have preferred a nice house by the water. My point is that no one gives a shit about making them part of society.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    > My point is that no one gives a shit about making them part of society. Those who want to become part of society are carried on hands and portrayed proudly in the media as examples of the success story of Swedish migration policies - unless they dare to criticise those same policies of course. The problem is that people are not encouraged to integrate or assimilate into Swedish culture as that goes against the multicultural ideals written into the Swedish 'constitution' (Sweden is actually governed under a collection of law instead of a single constitution but these serve the same purpose). Encouraging newcomers to... - learn Swedish as soon as possible... - try celebrating midsommar (the midsummer festival) and jul (Christmas) in some way to show they are interested in the customs and culture of the country which took them in instead of segregating themselves into their own cultural traditions.... - make eye contact with 'strangers' - the person at the cash register, the conductor on the train, etc - instead of looking away as is common for women in many middle eastern cultures, telling men from those same cultures than a woman who looks them in the eyes is not 'interested' in them but simply follows western-European customs where it is considered proper and polite to look others (of both sexes) in the eyes. - keep check on their children when they are out in the streets. Swedish children are raised by their parents, not by the neighbourhood. Sending your children out on the streets without supervision will and does lead to problems since Swedish adults will not tell of misbehaving children other than their own. - etc. ...is frowned upon since it goes against the aforementioned multicultural ideals.
Gareth321 3y ago
For a little over a century, the left wing Swedish Social Democratic Party dominated Swedish politics. For decades, they and their voters have argued that enforcing migrant dispersal, as they do in Denmark, is racist and an abuse of human rights. They argue that migrants should be free to live anywhere they please. I can understand the sentiment at face value, but the deleterious social effects are undeniable. It is an example of compassion taken to an illogical extreme; ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
- lucasRW 3y ago
  I think that it is a fair statement to say that wherever liberals have been in control with their pro-immigrant and ACAB ideology, the area (whether local, like San Fransisco, Gothenburg, or national, like France) has become a shithole within a few years.

by codr7 3y ago

the_third_wave 3y ago

> they're basically dumped in a suburb They are not "dumped in a suburb" by the authorities but actively choose to move there. This is made possible by a law - EBO or "eget boende" (own accommodations) - which gives asylum seekers and their relatives the right to choose their own domicile. The current government wants to abolish this law [1] since it makes it harder to integrate/assimilate people who end up living in ethnically segregated areas. [1] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-vill-avveckla-ebo-lagen-forsvarat-integrationen https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-vill-avveckla-...

codr7 3y ago
It's not like they have much of a choice, though. I'm pretty sure many would have preferred a nice house by the water. My point is that no one gives a shit about making them part of society.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  > My point is that no one gives a shit about making them part of society. Those who want to become part of society are carried on hands and portrayed proudly in the media as examples of the success story of Swedish migration policies - unless they dare to criticise those same policies of course. The problem is that people are not encouraged to integrate or assimilate into Swedish culture as that goes against the multicultural ideals written into the Swedish 'constitution' (Sweden is actually governed under a collection of law instead of a single constitution but these serve the same purpose). Encouraging newcomers to... - learn Swedish as soon as possible... - try celebrating midsommar (the midsummer festival) and jul (Christmas) in some way to show they are interested in the customs and culture of the country which took them in instead of segregating themselves into their own cultural traditions.... - make eye contact with 'strangers' - the person at the cash register, the conductor on the train, etc - instead of looking away as is common for women in many middle eastern cultures, telling men from those same cultures than a woman who looks them in the eyes is not 'interested' in them but simply follows western-European customs where it is considered proper and polite to look others (of both sexes) in the eyes. - keep check on their children when they are out in the streets. Swedish children are raised by their parents, not by the neighbourhood. Sending your children out on the streets without supervision will and does lead to problems since Swedish adults will not tell of misbehaving children other than their own. - etc. ...is frowned upon since it goes against the aforementioned multicultural ideals.

Gareth321 3y ago

For a little over a century, the left wing Swedish Social Democratic Party dominated Swedish politics. For decades, they and their voters have argued that enforcing migrant dispersal, as they do in Denmark, is racist and an abuse of human rights. They argue that migrants should be free to live anywhere they please. I can understand the sentiment at face value, but the deleterious social effects are undeniable. It is an example of compassion taken to an illogical extreme; ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

lucasRW 3y ago
I think that it is a fair statement to say that wherever liberals have been in control with their pro-immigrant and ACAB ideology, the area (whether local, like San Fransisco, Gothenburg, or national, like France) has become a shithole within a few years.