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I will say Microsoft is overly agrees installing Teams. When removing I find three different listing under add/remove programs. The App Store version Microsof

I will say Microsoft is overly agrees installing Teams. When removing I find three different listing under add/remove programs. The App Store version Microsoft Teams, the Microsoft Teams system installer, and Microsoft Teams. It then proceeds to try and set the default to auto-launch and request a Microsoft sign in at login. This is aggressive, annoying and in at least to me comes off as desperate or in the least adwarey.

tyingq 3y ago
They also have separate downloads for "Teams for home" and "Teams for work or school" that end up running as different applications.
- dghughes 3y ago
  The funny part is Teams doesn't work half the time anyway.
  - Liftdex 3y ago
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  - tyingq 3y ago
    I use it on Windows, and it's not the best application I've used, but I can't think of many meetings where I was unable to attend...maybe a minute of kill teams + restart. But, I hear it's more flaky on macos.
    - DanielHB 3y ago
      Teams video/chat calls work really well in my opinion. The problem is everything else
    - dao- 3y ago
      > can't think of many meetings where I was unable to attend does this mean you can think of /some/ meetings you were unable to attend? I would assume that "doesn't work half the time" was slightly hyperbolic, and so it seems like your experience is roughly in line with the parent comment despite your response being worded like a rebuttal. > maybe a minute of kill teams + restart. lol, okay. so it's basically flawless.
      - tyingq 3y ago
        Yes, I'm saying over a couple years I can think of a few times where I had notable trouble. It's not great, but it's not on my top 10 list of troubles. It's also not terribly different from my historical experiences with webex and other similar software. Multi-person video chat tends to find the weak points (slow vpn, using during os updates, etc). >lol, okay. so it's basically flawless. I never understand what this kind of snark is meant to do. I didn't say anything like that at all.
        dao- 3y ago
        just so we're on the same page, you think having to kill and restart while you're in or trying to join a chat or meeting doesn't count as notable trouble, because after all you were able to join eventually?
        tyingq 3y ago
        Comparatively, it our current world of mostly shitty software, occasionally having to restart my meeting software is not something I worry about much. Perhaps you meet more often than I do, so it's of relatively higher importance.
        dao- 3y ago
        I don't think it matters how often you want to meet. When you do, you should want it to work. We're not talking about a side feature either, this is software for having meetings. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest companies on this planet with decades upon decades of experience in software. Let's not pretend like their willingness to cut corners wherever they can and compromise on quality, as long as the profits keep coming in, is anything but an affront. Controlling the whole stack should make it easier to do this, but in reality monopolies have the opposite effect because capitalism has these averse incentives baked in. Yet another reason to bring back aggressive antitrust enforcement, i.e. break up big tech.
- vel0city 3y ago
  Those two different versions are being merged into one. There's a beta client version out which has those merged.
  - tyingq 3y ago
    > There's a beta client version out which has those merged. That's good, though temporarily, that means one more possibly simultaneously installed teams :)
    - vel0city 3y ago
      Installing the updated beta replaces the Office installed one. I don't know if it's possible to have the old Office installed one and the beta client at the same time.
      - smileybarry 3y ago
        There's a toggle for it (that requires 365 apps restarted) so it seems like you can, somehow.
        vel0city 3y ago
        It's still just one installation though. Like, in All Programs, there isn't the old Office Teams and the new Office Teams.
        vladvasiliu 3y ago
        Yet when I search for teams in the start menu, I get two entries for "Microsoft Teams (Work or school)". If I click on the one without "new", it'll launch the old one and ask me if I want to go back to the old one or keep using the new one. https://i.imgur.com/FFn1PWa.png https://i.imgur.com/FFn1PWa.png
        vel0city 3y ago
- datavirtue 3y ago
  Recently untangled this WTF. So stupid.

tyingq 3y ago

They also have separate downloads for "Teams for home" and "Teams for work or school" that end up running as different applications.

dghughes 3y ago
The funny part is Teams doesn't work half the time anyway.
- Liftdex 3y ago
  [flagged]
- tyingq 3y ago
  I use it on Windows, and it's not the best application I've used, but I can't think of many meetings where I was unable to attend...maybe a minute of kill teams + restart. But, I hear it's more flaky on macos.
  - DanielHB 3y ago
    Teams video/chat calls work really well in my opinion. The problem is everything else
  - dao- 3y ago
    > can't think of many meetings where I was unable to attend does this mean you can think of /some/ meetings you were unable to attend? I would assume that "doesn't work half the time" was slightly hyperbolic, and so it seems like your experience is roughly in line with the parent comment despite your response being worded like a rebuttal. > maybe a minute of kill teams + restart. lol, okay. so it's basically flawless.
    - tyingq 3y ago
      Yes, I'm saying over a couple years I can think of a few times where I had notable trouble. It's not great, but it's not on my top 10 list of troubles. It's also not terribly different from my historical experiences with webex and other similar software. Multi-person video chat tends to find the weak points (slow vpn, using during os updates, etc). >lol, okay. so it's basically flawless. I never understand what this kind of snark is meant to do. I didn't say anything like that at all.
      - dao- 3y ago
        just so we're on the same page, you think having to kill and restart while you're in or trying to join a chat or meeting doesn't count as notable trouble, because after all you were able to join eventually?
        tyingq 3y ago
        Comparatively, it our current world of mostly shitty software, occasionally having to restart my meeting software is not something I worry about much. Perhaps you meet more often than I do, so it's of relatively higher importance.
        dao- 3y ago
        I don't think it matters how often you want to meet. When you do, you should want it to work. We're not talking about a side feature either, this is software for having meetings. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest companies on this planet with decades upon decades of experience in software. Let's not pretend like their willingness to cut corners wherever they can and compromise on quality, as long as the profits keep coming in, is anything but an affront. Controlling the whole stack should make it easier to do this, but in reality monopolies have the opposite effect because capitalism has these averse incentives baked in. Yet another reason to bring back aggressive antitrust enforcement, i.e. break up big tech.
vel0city 3y ago
Those two different versions are being merged into one. There's a beta client version out which has those merged.
- tyingq 3y ago
  > There's a beta client version out which has those merged. That's good, though temporarily, that means one more possibly simultaneously installed teams :)
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Installing the updated beta replaces the Office installed one. I don't know if it's possible to have the old Office installed one and the beta client at the same time.
    - smileybarry 3y ago
      There's a toggle for it (that requires 365 apps restarted) so it seems like you can, somehow.
      - vel0city 3y ago
        It's still just one installation though. Like, in All Programs, there isn't the old Office Teams and the new Office Teams.
        vladvasiliu 3y ago
        Yet when I search for teams in the start menu, I get two entries for "Microsoft Teams (Work or school)". If I click on the one without "new", it'll launch the old one and ask me if I want to go back to the old one or keep using the new one. https://i.imgur.com/FFn1PWa.png https://i.imgur.com/FFn1PWa.png
        vel0city 3y ago
datavirtue 3y ago
Recently untangled this WTF. So stupid.