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> Now, the U.S. government is concerned is that Nvidia's A100 and H100 compute GPUs could be diverted to China from customers in the Middle East. Sounds like e

> Now, the U.S. government is concerned is that Nvidia's A100 and H100 compute GPUs could be diverted to China from customers in the Middle East. Sounds like eventually they're gonna have to ban the sale of those GPU to any country that doesn't start with the letter U and ends with SA, if they truly want to avoid anyone in China getting a hold of those.

JieJie 3y ago
Maybe not just the USA, maybe a list of countries. They can call it the Five AIs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
csomar 3y ago
Given how small the chips are, even that won't be enough. As these chips get more powerful, in the future, the chip won't compute before getting an authorization token from some central authority. It seems that we are just one Moore's law away from that reality.
- rfoo 3y ago
  If this is how we get unauthorized bread I don't dislike it.
  - xethos 3y ago
    Are you sure about that double negative?
dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
The Middle East has already established itself as a conduit for sanctioned goods to Russia and now China. If every other country feels that they want to be such a conduit and suffer the consequences, then that's on them. But realistically US allies are unlikely to do that so the EU, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Japan, South Korea and Canada may end up being the only countries that can buy high end US technology. Personally, I'm totally fine with that. I think trade in critical good and services, especially those with obvious military and mass oppression uses should be allies only by default.
huijzer 3y ago
Your US-centric view makes no sense. The machines to make the chips are made in the Netherlands, the mirrors for those machines in Germany, to be finally fabbed in Taiwan. Furthermore, if you ever want a more challenging job, then I would invite you to try to convince a German to do something outside the law.

JieJie 3y ago

Maybe not just the USA, maybe a list of countries. They can call it the Five AIs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

csomar 3y ago

Given how small the chips are, even that won't be enough. As these chips get more powerful, in the future, the chip won't compute before getting an authorization token from some central authority. It seems that we are just one Moore's law away from that reality.

rfoo 3y ago
If this is how we get unauthorized bread I don't dislike it.
- xethos 3y ago
  Are you sure about that double negative?

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago

The Middle East has already established itself as a conduit for sanctioned goods to Russia and now China. If every other country feels that they want to be such a conduit and suffer the consequences, then that's on them. But realistically US allies are unlikely to do that so the EU, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Japan, South Korea and Canada may end up being the only countries that can buy high end US technology. Personally, I'm totally fine with that. I think trade in critical good and services, especially those with obvious military and mass oppression uses should be allies only by default.

huijzer 3y ago

Your US-centric view makes no sense. The machines to make the chips are made in the Netherlands, the mirrors for those machines in Germany, to be finally fabbed in Taiwan. Furthermore, if you ever want a more challenging job, then I would invite you to try to convince a German to do something outside the law.