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It doesn't, but it makes it that much more difficult and any barrier, no matter how slight, slows down the effort. And like I mentioned in a comment above, it'

It doesn't, but it makes it that much more difficult and any barrier, no matter how slight, slows down the effort. And like I mentioned in a comment above, it's the US drawing a line in the sand, signalling to the world you can play nice and continue to have access to US tech, or don't and good luck

AlecSchueler 3y ago
"Playing nice" in this case being adapting to a cultural hegemony. For all my issues with China and it's government I also like to live in a world where different states try out different ways of relating to intellectual property. And will it really take researchers in China that much longer to get a chip? Maybe like a few extra weeks?
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  So you're saying that Chinese having little to no respect for IP is just their culture? And we should respect that? And you think 'a few extra weeks' is all it'll take for the Chinese to develop the technology that ASML has taken several decades to perfect, which is required to produce these chips? I guess if they steal ASML IP, sorry, relate to ASML intellectual property differently, you might be right.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    > So you're saying that Chinese having little to no respect for IP is just their culture? And we should respect that? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Do you feel that our relationship to intellectual property is somehow less rooted in culture or that it deserves more respect? > And you think 'a few extra weeks' is all it'll take for the Chinese to develop the technology No, I said that a delay of a few weeks before beginning their research wouldn't be a major setback in the grand scheme of their work.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    Well the concept of IP property is just an unilateral decision from those who want to use that as a commercial weapon. Nothing else. It doesn't mean the concept is universally accepted.

AlecSchueler 3y ago

"Playing nice" in this case being adapting to a cultural hegemony. For all my issues with China and it's government I also like to live in a world where different states try out different ways of relating to intellectual property. And will it really take researchers in China that much longer to get a chip? Maybe like a few extra weeks?

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
So you're saying that Chinese having little to no respect for IP is just their culture? And we should respect that? And you think 'a few extra weeks' is all it'll take for the Chinese to develop the technology that ASML has taken several decades to perfect, which is required to produce these chips? I guess if they steal ASML IP, sorry, relate to ASML intellectual property differently, you might be right.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  > So you're saying that Chinese having little to no respect for IP is just their culture? And we should respect that? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Do you feel that our relationship to intellectual property is somehow less rooted in culture or that it deserves more respect? > And you think 'a few extra weeks' is all it'll take for the Chinese to develop the technology No, I said that a delay of a few weeks before beginning their research wouldn't be a major setback in the grand scheme of their work.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  Well the concept of IP property is just an unilateral decision from those who want to use that as a commercial weapon. Nothing else. It doesn't mean the concept is universally accepted.