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A16Z has a portfolio size of $35 billion and invested nearly $8 billion in pure cryptocurrency schemes (probably quite a bit more additional investment through

A16Z has a portfolio size of $35 billion and invested nearly $8 billion in pure cryptocurrency schemes (probably quite a bit more additional investment through some of their funds which aren't exclusively crypto plays). We're not talking "99.9% avoidance of obvious scams" or any other tiny fraction. Their flagship crypto fund was down 40% in 2022. Even if it returned profits to shareholders since its seed investments in 2009, it did so at the expense of people who bought in later, like all crypto wins. They didn't "create value" they, at best, extracted value from crypto scams. And at this point it's not even clear to me how the fund is performing overall.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Yes but we're talking about SV as a whole, not a specific firm? If we assume a quarter of a16z's crypto investments will turn out to be actual frauds, which is a big assumption, that's only a small bit of all the money flowing through SV. And plus I think even a 98% success rate of avoiding scams is already pretty noteworthy, like I said 99.9% is a very high bar.
- runnerup 3y ago
  Where did you get 98% from?
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    It's my personal bar for someone/some group to be considered honest. I'm not sure what 'reaperman's threshold is but I doubt it's literally 100% or even 99.9%.
    - runnerup 3y ago
      So you’re asserting that it’s your belief that less than 2% of Silicon Valley VC money is invested in scams or invested to perpetuate a scam? Besides A16Z, what are the other investment firms that you feel comprises the core of Silicon Valley VC culture?
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        No not really? Why would I be asserting that to you or anyone else? Obviously I don't have access to the detailed financial records of every major player in SV, nor likely does anyone else on HN.
        runnerup 3y ago
        The “major players” post the vast majority of their investments because they’re advertising their funds to potential limited partners. It also publicly signaling the strength of the companies they invest in which improves their outcomes through ease of negotiating future business agreements with potential customers and partners. So it’s definitely possible to establish an approximate upper and lower bound, and it’s way above your 2% limit. You’d either have to accept that SV does, in fact, deal heavily in scams, or post-facto adjust your tolerance limit to set the bar lower.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        What are you talking about? If you somehow know better then link or reference the sources.
        runnerup 3y ago
        Again: which VC’s do you consider the core of Silicon Valley business culture? I did A16Z already. This only involves a very easy google search, and maybe throw in some crunchbase searches. It’s an absolutely trivial task and I’d expect you to try doing this exercise on at least one other VC that you’re interested in. I could do an exhaustive analysis of public data, but that would be more of a blog post than a discussion comment. I expect you to put in a minimum amount of effort towards fact-checking if you want people to take your strong opinions seriously.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        So if your not going to actually cite enough sources for your claims to be credible, why would anyone take your opinion seriously either?

MichaelZuo 3y ago

Yes but we're talking about SV as a whole, not a specific firm? If we assume a quarter of a16z's crypto investments will turn out to be actual frauds, which is a big assumption, that's only a small bit of all the money flowing through SV. And plus I think even a 98% success rate of avoiding scams is already pretty noteworthy, like I said 99.9% is a very high bar.

runnerup 3y ago
Where did you get 98% from?
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  It's my personal bar for someone/some group to be considered honest. I'm not sure what 'reaperman's threshold is but I doubt it's literally 100% or even 99.9%.
  - runnerup 3y ago
    So you’re asserting that it’s your belief that less than 2% of Silicon Valley VC money is invested in scams or invested to perpetuate a scam? Besides A16Z, what are the other investment firms that you feel comprises the core of Silicon Valley VC culture?
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      No not really? Why would I be asserting that to you or anyone else? Obviously I don't have access to the detailed financial records of every major player in SV, nor likely does anyone else on HN.
      - runnerup 3y ago
        The “major players” post the vast majority of their investments because they’re advertising their funds to potential limited partners. It also publicly signaling the strength of the companies they invest in which improves their outcomes through ease of negotiating future business agreements with potential customers and partners. So it’s definitely possible to establish an approximate upper and lower bound, and it’s way above your 2% limit. You’d either have to accept that SV does, in fact, deal heavily in scams, or post-facto adjust your tolerance limit to set the bar lower.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        What are you talking about? If you somehow know better then link or reference the sources.
        runnerup 3y ago
        Again: which VC’s do you consider the core of Silicon Valley business culture? I did A16Z already. This only involves a very easy google search, and maybe throw in some crunchbase searches. It’s an absolutely trivial task and I’d expect you to try doing this exercise on at least one other VC that you’re interested in. I could do an exhaustive analysis of public data, but that would be more of a blog post than a discussion comment. I expect you to put in a minimum amount of effort towards fact-checking if you want people to take your strong opinions seriously.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        So if your not going to actually cite enough sources for your claims to be credible, why would anyone take your opinion seriously either?