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I don’t understand what you are referring to

nico 3y ago
What we call life is just a convenient definition for a normal daily life However, at the end of the day, it’s just an agreement There is no basic universal physical law that defines life If we allow ourselves to re-think the definition, or just do without We can create alternative models, think differently and discover new ideas
- bowsamic 3y ago
  I mean, you can say that about anything. Hegel took this to the extreme and said that reality itself cannot even be said to exist unless you use words to describe it, that before humans named water there was no water. However it’s not very useful to say, since by definition the undetermined unity contains nothing of interest unless it is split up into determinations
  - nico 3y ago
    Useful for what? Seems like it’s pretty useful to make us think And you said quite a few very interesting things Why do you say the undetermined unity contain nothing of interest? Having a conscious experience of undetermined unity, can be a life changing event (as for example, reported by astronauts when going to space) Experience, and for that matter consciousness, doesn’t need thought But we kind of live in the intersection of both
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      You can’t have a conscious experience of the undetermined unity because it isn’t a thing. It contains nothing of interest because it’s totally indeterminate. It literally doesn’t exist, it’s like pure death. It’s just the starting point before consciousness and thought. The absolute is the state of maximum development away from this original undetermined point. Attempting to return to it is to try and reverse time If you understand German this video may help, else there are subtitles https://youtu.be/mh_KE4VwPDk?si=-zCwWSAIFdQi8nKe https://youtu.be/mh_KE4VwPDk?si=-zCwWSAIFdQi8nKe
      - nico 3y ago
        Well it all depends on the definition Taking that definition, we can still approach it experientially without thought What sometimes is called “minimal consciousness experience” in cognitive sciences
        bowsamic 3y ago
        A minimal consciousness experience is still far beyond the undetermined unity

nico 3y ago

What we call life is just a convenient definition for a normal daily life However, at the end of the day, it’s just an agreement There is no basic universal physical law that defines life If we allow ourselves to re-think the definition, or just do without We can create alternative models, think differently and discover new ideas

bowsamic 3y ago
I mean, you can say that about anything. Hegel took this to the extreme and said that reality itself cannot even be said to exist unless you use words to describe it, that before humans named water there was no water. However it’s not very useful to say, since by definition the undetermined unity contains nothing of interest unless it is split up into determinations
- nico 3y ago
  Useful for what? Seems like it’s pretty useful to make us think And you said quite a few very interesting things Why do you say the undetermined unity contain nothing of interest? Having a conscious experience of undetermined unity, can be a life changing event (as for example, reported by astronauts when going to space) Experience, and for that matter consciousness, doesn’t need thought But we kind of live in the intersection of both
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    You can’t have a conscious experience of the undetermined unity because it isn’t a thing. It contains nothing of interest because it’s totally indeterminate. It literally doesn’t exist, it’s like pure death. It’s just the starting point before consciousness and thought. The absolute is the state of maximum development away from this original undetermined point. Attempting to return to it is to try and reverse time If you understand German this video may help, else there are subtitles https://youtu.be/mh_KE4VwPDk?si=-zCwWSAIFdQi8nKe https://youtu.be/mh_KE4VwPDk?si=-zCwWSAIFdQi8nKe
    - nico 3y ago
      Well it all depends on the definition Taking that definition, we can still approach it experientially without thought What sometimes is called “minimal consciousness experience” in cognitive sciences
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        A minimal consciousness experience is still far beyond the undetermined unity