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> Stuffy, Maybe, but rude? Calling people by their first name is rude. Calling people by forms of address which don’t exist is rude. For me and my people, it's
by wenc 3y ago
> Stuffy, Maybe, but rude? Calling people by their first name is rude. Calling people by forms of address which don’t exist is rude.
For me and my people, it's perceived as rude (it sounds infantilizing). Just because you don't perceive it that way doesn't mean it is not.
> Calling people by their first name is rude
Yes, it can be. That's why it's useful to have their last names disambiguated so a proper title can be appended. When you have the full name in a single string, you can't do that -- you don't have enough information to decompose the name into its parts. When you have both given name and family names, you don't have to guess which is which.
There are forms of address that sound rude if appended to full names.
(of course it can be argued that even with 2 fields one might get it wrong, so I fully agree that adding a field indicating how one prefers to be addressed is the best solution of all)
- hnfong 3y ago> For me and my people, it's perceived as rude Are you or your people Asian? Though, even in Asia which names to call a person can differ wildly. I'm not sure how your personal ideas about rudeness are relevant here.
- wenc 3y ago> Are you or your people Asian? Yes. > I'm not sure how your personal ideas about rudeness are relevant here. Names matter.
- masklinn 3y ago> For me and my people, it's perceived as rude (it sounds infantilizing). Just because you don't perceive it that way doesn't mean it is not. So what you’re actually saying now is that any inferred form of address may come across as rude, which means you original suggestion is plain incorrect: splitting given name and family name does not allow generating a genetically never rude form of address, because you can’t know whether the user’s culture favours given names, family names, full names, or even none of the above. And that’s before getting into honorifics and titles.
- wenc 3y ago> So what you’re actually saying now is that any inferred form of address may come across as rude, which means you original suggestion is plain incorrect: splitting given name and family name does not allow generating a genetically never rude form of address, because you can’t know whether the user’s culture favours given names, family names, full names, or even none of the above. No, that is not it.
- masklinn 3y ago> No, that is not it. Yes, it very much is. You’re declaring that one form of address is rude to your culture, while acknowledging that it is proper to an other culture. This means the two cultures are completely incompatible on that point, and thus no generic munging method can satisfy both. And yet your original suggestion was to do exactly that, just in a form suited or at least compatible with your cultural sensibilities.
- wenc 3y agoNo that is not right at all. I won’t continue.