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They were attempting to subpoena tech companies and websites where the video was reuploaded, demanding user information and IP logs for anyone who accessed the

They were attempting to subpoena tech companies and websites where the video was reuploaded, demanding user information and IP logs for anyone who accessed the video. I'm unsure of how many video hosts actually complied, given how many companies don't have a presence in NZ. Apparently at least a few, given how they were able to charge at least 35 people. From there, it's a basic request to the ISP for subscriber information, and a day or two later the police are seizing the poor schmuck's electronics. If they find christchurch.mp4 or manifesto.pdf, that's a 10 year prison sentence.

totetsu 3y ago
Given that "white identity extremism" is one of the biggest domestic threats, that seems fair enough.
- pseudo0 3y ago
  It's not even a rounding error in our national murder rate. We are currently at over 20,000 murders per year in the US, and it's rare for more than a handful to be linked to white identity extremism in a given year. The real "threat" was that a bunch of IC employees would end up redundant after ISIS imploded. There are an awful lot of highly paid IC employees and consultants who hopped on the new counterterrorism bandwagon after their old cash cow dried up. Besides that, even if it were a real threat, censoring speech is not the solution. I'm not sure if you have read the Christchurch manifesto, but it's garbage. Seriously NZ is doing the author a favor by censoring it. That way he gets to play the political persecution card and people are less likely to actually read it.
  - verve_rat 3y ago
    >It's not even a rounding error in our national murder rate. We are currently at over 20,000 murders per year in the US But... we aren't talking about the US? https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/murder... See that big spike at the end there? That's white identity extremism. The deadliest crime in NZ history, the one event that more than doubled NZs murder rate that year, was white identity extremism. It might be a bit of a problem.
    - pseudo0 3y ago
      That tends to happen when you have a small population and an outlier event occurs in a given year... Your entire country is the size of a large US city. If you calculated NYC's murder rate and included 9/11, it would also be pretty abysmal in 2001.
      - verve_rat 3y ago
        An the US reacted to 9/11 with a bunch of law changes among other things. A large event had an impact. Honestly, I don't see what you are trying to point out?
        pseudo0 3y ago
        9/11 got us the Patriot Act, the TSA, an invasion of a completely unrelated country that killed around 600,000 people, and a few trillion dollars in unnecessary military spending. Knee-jerk responses generally don't end well, speaking from experience.

totetsu 3y ago

Given that "white identity extremism" is one of the biggest domestic threats, that seems fair enough.

pseudo0 3y ago
It's not even a rounding error in our national murder rate. We are currently at over 20,000 murders per year in the US, and it's rare for more than a handful to be linked to white identity extremism in a given year. The real "threat" was that a bunch of IC employees would end up redundant after ISIS imploded. There are an awful lot of highly paid IC employees and consultants who hopped on the new counterterrorism bandwagon after their old cash cow dried up. Besides that, even if it were a real threat, censoring speech is not the solution. I'm not sure if you have read the Christchurch manifesto, but it's garbage. Seriously NZ is doing the author a favor by censoring it. That way he gets to play the political persecution card and people are less likely to actually read it.
- verve_rat 3y ago
  >It's not even a rounding error in our national murder rate. We are currently at over 20,000 murders per year in the US But... we aren't talking about the US? https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/murder... See that big spike at the end there? That's white identity extremism. The deadliest crime in NZ history, the one event that more than doubled NZs murder rate that year, was white identity extremism. It might be a bit of a problem.
  - pseudo0 3y ago
    That tends to happen when you have a small population and an outlier event occurs in a given year... Your entire country is the size of a large US city. If you calculated NYC's murder rate and included 9/11, it would also be pretty abysmal in 2001.
    - verve_rat 3y ago
      An the US reacted to 9/11 with a bunch of law changes among other things. A large event had an impact. Honestly, I don't see what you are trying to point out?
      - pseudo0 3y ago
        9/11 got us the Patriot Act, the TSA, an invasion of a completely unrelated country that killed around 600,000 people, and a few trillion dollars in unnecessary military spending. Knee-jerk responses generally don't end well, speaking from experience.