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For comparison’s sake, you could expect a similar degradation power wise on a ICE… over 30 years. This is my biggest hang up on EVs. They age like paper straws

For comparison’s sake, you could expect a similar degradation power wise on a ICE… over 30 years. This is my biggest hang up on EVs. They age like paper straws.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> degradation power wise on a ICE… over 30 years Yeah, for a Toyota that's owned by an expert car mechanic, who's hobby is doing full engine rebuilds every Tuesday. Our BMW was a write-off after 12 years.
- AngryData 3y ago
  That sounds more like a BMW problem unless you were putting huge mileage on it. Lots of 90s vehicles on conventional oil would go over 300,000 miles without replacing any major parts. Just alternators, plugs, and $10 sensors. Anything newer running on full synthetic is a total piece of shit if it isn't hitting 400-500,000 miles
- jgalentine007 3y ago
  I think the BMW is more of the issue than anything else…
kristopolous 3y ago
average ice car life-cycle is 12 years. EV lifespan is comparable. It's a weird attack angle for the anti-EV rhetoric. People talk about the longevity of an EV and somehow either don't realize or acknowledge its comparable to an ICE vehicle and then put this worried look on their face.
- somerandomqaguy 3y ago
  .....? The average age of cars are hitting 12 years. https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ If the data here is to be believed, then cars 2009 and prior make up 44% of of all cars on the road today, or or very roughly around 127 million cars. There really isn't that much to be said about EV longevity because to be frank, they isn't really enough data right now. There's not enough that are not old enough.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    Well sure we don't have the actual full numbers yet but we have about a decade of data and everything I've seen suggests that the bathtub curve is statistically indistinguishable from a conventional ice car. There could be some phenomenal unprecedented cliff that defies the durability life cycle of all manufactured goods but the fundamental assumption here is they're going to behave like typical similar products for the rest of the cycle. I'm certainly not a professional in the automobile waste stream but from what I've read, transmissions, which are the key difference here, have a failure rate that is far longer than the normal distribution of car lives. That means the car gets junked mostly for other reasons, probably a compound of various reasons such as the style being outdated, the interior being worn, the body suffering various damages, parts of the drivetrain wearing, hard to replace sensors going bad, accidents, and multiples of these things I spent the past 7 years of my life in telematics logistics and fleet operations of hybrids, hydrogen, CNG and EVs so I know some things but I can only personally speak for the couple hundred that I worked with and what I've read

For comparison’s sake, you could expect a similar degradation power wise on a ICE… over 30 years. This is my biggest hang up on EVs. They age like paper straws.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

> degradation power wise on a ICE… over 30 years Yeah, for a Toyota that's owned by an expert car mechanic, who's hobby is doing full engine rebuilds every Tuesday. Our BMW was a write-off after 12 years.

AngryData 3y ago
That sounds more like a BMW problem unless you were putting huge mileage on it. Lots of 90s vehicles on conventional oil would go over 300,000 miles without replacing any major parts. Just alternators, plugs, and $10 sensors. Anything newer running on full synthetic is a total piece of shit if it isn't hitting 400-500,000 miles
jgalentine007 3y ago
I think the BMW is more of the issue than anything else…

kristopolous 3y ago

average ice car life-cycle is 12 years. EV lifespan is comparable. It's a weird attack angle for the anti-EV rhetoric. People talk about the longevity of an EV and somehow either don't realize or acknowledge its comparable to an ICE vehicle and then put this worried look on their face.

somerandomqaguy 3y ago
.....? The average age of cars are hitting 12 years. https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ If the data here is to be believed, then cars 2009 and prior make up 44% of of all cars on the road today, or or very roughly around 127 million cars. There really isn't that much to be said about EV longevity because to be frank, they isn't really enough data right now. There's not enough that are not old enough.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  Well sure we don't have the actual full numbers yet but we have about a decade of data and everything I've seen suggests that the bathtub curve is statistically indistinguishable from a conventional ice car. There could be some phenomenal unprecedented cliff that defies the durability life cycle of all manufactured goods but the fundamental assumption here is they're going to behave like typical similar products for the rest of the cycle. I'm certainly not a professional in the automobile waste stream but from what I've read, transmissions, which are the key difference here, have a failure rate that is far longer than the normal distribution of car lives. That means the car gets junked mostly for other reasons, probably a compound of various reasons such as the style being outdated, the interior being worn, the body suffering various damages, parts of the drivetrain wearing, hard to replace sensors going bad, accidents, and multiples of these things I spent the past 7 years of my life in telematics logistics and fleet operations of hybrids, hydrogen, CNG and EVs so I know some things but I can only personally speak for the couple hundred that I worked with and what I've read