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I find this theist argument to be really exhausting; 1) Why must the human experience be intentional if it is profound? 2) Why does it even actually matter if

I find this theist argument to be really exhausting; 1) Why must the human experience be intentional if it is profound? 2) Why does it even actually matter if there is a creator? Everything in human history tells us that we should still live our lives in accordance with reason based ethical systems, and empirical discoveries. These are the only *universal* tools the “creator” has given us. > The common theme seems to be that of a complaint, some form of “God can’t be real because the nature of things isn’t what I would have done” or “there are aspects of this experience that I don’t prefer” Those are just complaints against specific religious dogma. I’m not interested in if they are reasonable or not. There’s only one atheist argument necessary; it’s an unfalsifiable claim. That’s it.

cmdli 3y ago
There is the question of where this profoundness comes from. If it comes from an evolutionary instinct for the purposes of reproduction, most would find that disappointing. But why would we find our own true nature disappoiting? Why would evolution give us a desire for something greater than reproduction? As a side note, I’m curious what “reason based ethical systems” you are referring to. Almost all ethical systems I have found require an amount of fiat assumptions that are just as unfalsifiable as god.
- JambalayaJim 3y ago
  I think it’s just an inherently theistic mindset to flip from “if not God, then it must be evolution”. As opposed to being content with the random happenstance and mystery of it all. And figuring out what your individual life means for yourself. But again as I said, if there is a God it doesn’t change anything really. We’ve still got to figure out what to do with ourselves, and we’ve still got to figure out what ethical systems to use and ignore. I’m not speaking about any one specific system. You’re going to have to provide me with an example of a fiat assumption. I don’t think anything grounded in base human emotions (empathy being a big one) would qualify. Many of our cultural values are grounded in religion and that’s fine (maybe it’s the other way around). Assuming that these values are Gods will and not debatable are dangerous. That’s what I mean by “reason based”.

cmdli 3y ago

There is the question of where this profoundness comes from. If it comes from an evolutionary instinct for the purposes of reproduction, most would find that disappointing. But why would we find our own true nature disappoiting? Why would evolution give us a desire for something greater than reproduction? As a side note, I’m curious what “reason based ethical systems” you are referring to. Almost all ethical systems I have found require an amount of fiat assumptions that are just as unfalsifiable as god.

JambalayaJim 3y ago
I think it’s just an inherently theistic mindset to flip from “if not God, then it must be evolution”. As opposed to being content with the random happenstance and mystery of it all. And figuring out what your individual life means for yourself. But again as I said, if there is a God it doesn’t change anything really. We’ve still got to figure out what to do with ourselves, and we’ve still got to figure out what ethical systems to use and ignore. I’m not speaking about any one specific system. You’re going to have to provide me with an example of a fiat assumption. I don’t think anything grounded in base human emotions (empathy being a big one) would qualify. Many of our cultural values are grounded in religion and that’s fine (maybe it’s the other way around). Assuming that these values are Gods will and not debatable are dangerous. That’s what I mean by “reason based”.