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Why? Obviously less degradation is better, but I have done a couple Northern Oregon to Central California trips in an EV. The total charge time for the trip was

Why? Obviously less degradation is better, but I have done a couple Northern Oregon to Central California trips in an EV. The total charge time for the trip was ~2 hours (on top of ~10 hours of driving), and I have a relatively low end, slower charging vehicle (<100 kW). If I lose 10% of my range, I'll add about about 15 minutes of charging time to the trip. That's doesn't really seem like that big a deal. And slightly higher end cars (and likely all cars sold a few years from now), will have even less.

culi 3y ago
I think OP meant your permanent range. Like your batteries capacity degrades substantially higher if you use fast charging
- mikercampbell 3y ago
  Yeah, I don’t know EV’s or how often it’s intended you replace your battery, but I would feel that 9% just because I hyper focus haha
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  Yes, but decreased range only matters on long trips (like the one I describe), and the only thing it does it make you have to charge more frequently. I described how much that would actually matter on a real trip. As for your second sentence, the entire point of this article was that that's not true.
  - culi 3y ago
    > As for your second sentence, the entire point of this article was that that's not true. 1. It was not my claim, I was just clarifying OP's claim. 2. "That's not true" is an oversimplification. The article is basically saying that the software vehicles have to prevent damage from fast charging generally seems to work and minimal damage is occurred. But it still cautions against fast charging in high temperatures for example
- ballenf 3y ago
  That's where the used market comes in: if you really, really need 200 mile range, when it drops below that there will be a market of buyers who only need 150 miles. That has the added benefit of making EVs affordable for more people. ICE cars don't really lose range, but they do degrade faster in ways that EVs don't.
  - culi 3y ago
    > ICE cars don't really lose range, but they do degrade faster in ways that EVs don't I understand ICE have more moving parts, but this doesn't really hold up. If you DON'T INCLUDE battery costs, then EVs begin to be cheaper in maintenance after ~3 years (in the first 3 months they cost ~2.3x more in maintenance and this figure gradually reduces). However, there have not been significant studies that go beyond this range which is when battery issues/replacements start to factor in. I wouldn't be surprised if after 10 years maintenance costs for EVs would again be higher than for ICE https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2021-05/We%20Predict%20APA%20Presentation.pdf https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2021-05/We%20Predict%20APA%20Pr...

culi 3y ago

I think OP meant your permanent range. Like your batteries capacity degrades substantially higher if you use fast charging

mikercampbell 3y ago
Yeah, I don’t know EV’s or how often it’s intended you replace your battery, but I would feel that 9% just because I hyper focus haha
MostlyStable 3y ago
Yes, but decreased range only matters on long trips (like the one I describe), and the only thing it does it make you have to charge more frequently. I described how much that would actually matter on a real trip. As for your second sentence, the entire point of this article was that that's not true.
- culi 3y ago
  > As for your second sentence, the entire point of this article was that that's not true. 1. It was not my claim, I was just clarifying OP's claim. 2. "That's not true" is an oversimplification. The article is basically saying that the software vehicles have to prevent damage from fast charging generally seems to work and minimal damage is occurred. But it still cautions against fast charging in high temperatures for example
ballenf 3y ago
That's where the used market comes in: if you really, really need 200 mile range, when it drops below that there will be a market of buyers who only need 150 miles. That has the added benefit of making EVs affordable for more people. ICE cars don't really lose range, but they do degrade faster in ways that EVs don't.
- culi 3y ago
  > ICE cars don't really lose range, but they do degrade faster in ways that EVs don't I understand ICE have more moving parts, but this doesn't really hold up. If you DON'T INCLUDE battery costs, then EVs begin to be cheaper in maintenance after ~3 years (in the first 3 months they cost ~2.3x more in maintenance and this figure gradually reduces). However, there have not been significant studies that go beyond this range which is when battery issues/replacements start to factor in. I wouldn't be surprised if after 10 years maintenance costs for EVs would again be higher than for ICE https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2021-05/We%20Predict%20APA%20Presentation.pdf https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2021-05/We%20Predict%20APA%20Pr...