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Is the universal version of this stenotype?

NateEag 3y ago
More or less, yeah. There are different stenography systems, each with their own shortcuts and abbreviations, but at core they're all about producing large volumes of text with minimal physical effort at very high speeds. Those interested should check out http://www.openstenoproject.org/ http://www.openstenoproject.org/. A good mechanical keyboard (e.g. the ErgoDox EZ) and Plover mean the only thing standing between you and >200 WPM typing is the time and effort to learn it.
- Exuma 3y ago
  I hit this invisible wall at about 165 WPM that I can't just get beyond, and it kills me. I wonder how fast I could get with stenography... I see dem 400 WPM videos and they look awesome.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    The Plover / OpenSteno founder Mirabai Knight was working on Python steno a decade ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7DygveoB4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7DygveoB4 Longer video eight years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFKZGWrmrM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFKZGWrmrM Some random YouTube video, JavaScript steno seven years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBiri3CD6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBiri3CD6w Steno coding in Ruby, four months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W9_k2CXrXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W9_k2CXrXE
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
    Curious what kind of work you are doing where WPM is a limiting factor. I’m in software, like a lot of people here, so being able to type in speed is rarely the limiting factor. Besides stenographers, the only other line of work off the top of my head that needs this kind of speed are people who are paid to write subtitles for TV shows and movies in another language. Which I guess is just another form of stenography, when you unwrap it. Or is it not for work and it’s just purely to see how fast you can type?
    - Exuma 3y ago
      Typing fast is one of the greatest strengths for programming for me personally, especially when compared with Vim. It's that that it's a limiting factor, but rather I max out typing quite often, and also I have always wanted to hit 200 just for fun, but it currently feels not attainable. Some people say they spend more time than they do typing, but I definitely don't find that to be the case very often.
      - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
        I am a bit jealous (maybe?) that typing speed is a factor for you. I am the kind of person that will think for minutes at a time before writing a single line of code
        wryanzimmerman 3y ago
        All depends on what you’re doing… sometimes people have to write, like, css.
        Exuma 3y ago
        It's definitely situation dependent. When writing a lot of frontend code (vue, typescript, css, tailwind, html) I know what I'm typing several mental steps before I actually type it, so speed gains there are most pronounced. Sitting somewhere in the middle are dynamic languages where there might be certain implementations (say... some random api integration) where it's simply a lot of code I've typed thousands of times before. This still benefits from fast typing, especially when needing to operate surgically with vim, it's one of the moments I love the most (basically getting 20x combos with perfect typing at high speed when moving/modifying/transforming blocks of text etc etc) What benefits least of the 3 is writing things like Golang where it still definitely helps typing fast, don't get me wrong, but I usually have to think more there. Pace is slower, and symbols can become a pain in the ass. At the end of the day... you're still typing thousands of lines of code regardless of whether you're thinking or not. I never understood the argument "I spend more time thinking than coding". You are still going to write the same amount of code whether you're thinking or not. My ideal world (why I love typing fast) is that that time of me coding gets brought down by 50-200% over someone who types slow. I use that time for accelerating ahead. Ie... prototyping and deleting tons of code before refining/cementing in a design is painless.
  - Vicinity9635 3y ago
    One thing I would check out is short key travel distance. I love my Bloody B975, but I know I type faster on both my Apple keyboard and especially the Magic Keyboard Folio just because of the super short travel. I can hit 80-90sh on the gaming keyboard, but I'm probably at least tickling 120 the iPad.
    - Exuma 3y ago
      The newest macbook pro is 10/10 for me on typing speed. By far the best keyboard ive ever used.
      - Vicinity9635 3y ago
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- SKWR-PLS 3y ago
  tldr: plover turns your keyboard into emacs I always see wpm come up for steno stuff and while it can be faster, that's more of a professional thing. There are three cool things about plover for me. One you get to type pressing more than one or two keys at a time. Two the inputs are sent on key up or release, so can take your time pressing all the letters down, and then release them. Three, you have almost no hand movement at all, so its really, really, really comfortable to type on. once you get that, you have the steno theories to expand all the words. plover comes with a stened dictionary, but thats just for the words. you can also do phrases, symbols, emoji, macros, and more. once you start adding dictionaries, using a computer becomes a lot more fun. plover is like really crazy layers. Now for the other dictionaries, you can do things like: https://steno.sammdot.ca/plover-basics.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/plover-basics.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/ted-navigation.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/ted-navigation.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/emily-symbols.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/emily-symbols.png for these, where it says starter, you just press all those keys down, and then on the other side you press the keys listed for what you want. so for example, I can enter like ~104 symbols without moving my hands. the average sybmol layer has like 20. the crossplatform movement dict lets me move around much easier in any text field. (note that you don't really even need to know what the key names you are pressing are as its all a pattern) I currently have six other dictionaries that I use some of the time. you can see more here: https://www.openstenoproject.org/stenodict/ https://www.openstenoproject.org/stenodict/. any cli program would be very easy to add most of the commands to a dictionary if you wanted. for example, a basic git dictionary: https://github.com/didoesdigital/steno-dictionaries/blob/master/dictionaries/git.json https://github.com/didoesdigital/steno-dictionaries/blob/mas... plover has made using a computer much more fun. its a bit of a hard sell for a lot of people, but I recommend trying out some of the other dictionaries to see what you can do besides type words fast. its seriously really crazy that we are only pressing one key at a time using a keyboard.
- yterdy 3y ago
  It would be nice to be able to find a keyboard that was comfortable to learn how to steno type with that didn't cost $100-$300. $50 would be a sweet spot. It doesn't need to be a premium kit with expensive switches and LEDs and whatnot. It just needs to be the right form factor. It feels like the people selling kits are taking advantage of its niche nature. (Though, it really shouldn't be niche; being able to type at the speed of speech/thought is more of a "bicycle for the mind" than any AI.)
James_Henry 3y ago
Doesn't stenotype also have chording though?

More or less, yeah. There are different stenography systems, each with their own shortcuts and abbreviations, but at core they're all about producing large volumes of text with minimal physical effort at very high speeds. Those interested should check out http://www.openstenoproject.org/ http://www.openstenoproject.org/. A good mechanical keyboard (e.g. the ErgoDox EZ) and Plover mean the only thing standing between you and >200 WPM typing is the time and effort to learn it.

Exuma 3y ago
I hit this invisible wall at about 165 WPM that I can't just get beyond, and it kills me. I wonder how fast I could get with stenography... I see dem 400 WPM videos and they look awesome.
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  The Plover / OpenSteno founder Mirabai Knight was working on Python steno a decade ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7DygveoB4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7DygveoB4 Longer video eight years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFKZGWrmrM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFKZGWrmrM Some random YouTube video, JavaScript steno seven years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBiri3CD6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBiri3CD6w Steno coding in Ruby, four months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W9_k2CXrXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W9_k2CXrXE
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  Curious what kind of work you are doing where WPM is a limiting factor. I’m in software, like a lot of people here, so being able to type in speed is rarely the limiting factor. Besides stenographers, the only other line of work off the top of my head that needs this kind of speed are people who are paid to write subtitles for TV shows and movies in another language. Which I guess is just another form of stenography, when you unwrap it. Or is it not for work and it’s just purely to see how fast you can type?
  - Exuma 3y ago
    Typing fast is one of the greatest strengths for programming for me personally, especially when compared with Vim. It's that that it's a limiting factor, but rather I max out typing quite often, and also I have always wanted to hit 200 just for fun, but it currently feels not attainable. Some people say they spend more time than they do typing, but I definitely don't find that to be the case very often.
    - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
      I am a bit jealous (maybe?) that typing speed is a factor for you. I am the kind of person that will think for minutes at a time before writing a single line of code
      - wryanzimmerman 3y ago
        All depends on what you’re doing… sometimes people have to write, like, css.
      - Exuma 3y ago
        It's definitely situation dependent. When writing a lot of frontend code (vue, typescript, css, tailwind, html) I know what I'm typing several mental steps before I actually type it, so speed gains there are most pronounced. Sitting somewhere in the middle are dynamic languages where there might be certain implementations (say... some random api integration) where it's simply a lot of code I've typed thousands of times before. This still benefits from fast typing, especially when needing to operate surgically with vim, it's one of the moments I love the most (basically getting 20x combos with perfect typing at high speed when moving/modifying/transforming blocks of text etc etc) What benefits least of the 3 is writing things like Golang where it still definitely helps typing fast, don't get me wrong, but I usually have to think more there. Pace is slower, and symbols can become a pain in the ass. At the end of the day... you're still typing thousands of lines of code regardless of whether you're thinking or not. I never understood the argument "I spend more time thinking than coding". You are still going to write the same amount of code whether you're thinking or not. My ideal world (why I love typing fast) is that that time of me coding gets brought down by 50-200% over someone who types slow. I use that time for accelerating ahead. Ie... prototyping and deleting tons of code before refining/cementing in a design is painless.
- Vicinity9635 3y ago
  One thing I would check out is short key travel distance. I love my Bloody B975, but I know I type faster on both my Apple keyboard and especially the Magic Keyboard Folio just because of the super short travel. I can hit 80-90sh on the gaming keyboard, but I'm probably at least tickling 120 the iPad.
  - Exuma 3y ago
    The newest macbook pro is 10/10 for me on typing speed. By far the best keyboard ive ever used.
    - Vicinity9635 3y ago
      [dead]
SKWR-PLS 3y ago
tldr: plover turns your keyboard into emacs I always see wpm come up for steno stuff and while it can be faster, that's more of a professional thing. There are three cool things about plover for me. One you get to type pressing more than one or two keys at a time. Two the inputs are sent on key up or release, so can take your time pressing all the letters down, and then release them. Three, you have almost no hand movement at all, so its really, really, really comfortable to type on. once you get that, you have the steno theories to expand all the words. plover comes with a stened dictionary, but thats just for the words. you can also do phrases, symbols, emoji, macros, and more. once you start adding dictionaries, using a computer becomes a lot more fun. plover is like really crazy layers. Now for the other dictionaries, you can do things like: https://steno.sammdot.ca/plover-basics.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/plover-basics.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/ted-navigation.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/ted-navigation.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/emily-symbols.png https://steno.sammdot.ca/emily-symbols.png for these, where it says starter, you just press all those keys down, and then on the other side you press the keys listed for what you want. so for example, I can enter like ~104 symbols without moving my hands. the average sybmol layer has like 20. the crossplatform movement dict lets me move around much easier in any text field. (note that you don't really even need to know what the key names you are pressing are as its all a pattern) I currently have six other dictionaries that I use some of the time. you can see more here: https://www.openstenoproject.org/stenodict/ https://www.openstenoproject.org/stenodict/. any cli program would be very easy to add most of the commands to a dictionary if you wanted. for example, a basic git dictionary: https://github.com/didoesdigital/steno-dictionaries/blob/master/dictionaries/git.json https://github.com/didoesdigital/steno-dictionaries/blob/mas... plover has made using a computer much more fun. its a bit of a hard sell for a lot of people, but I recommend trying out some of the other dictionaries to see what you can do besides type words fast. its seriously really crazy that we are only pressing one key at a time using a keyboard.
yterdy 3y ago
It would be nice to be able to find a keyboard that was comfortable to learn how to steno type with that didn't cost $100-$300. $50 would be a sweet spot. It doesn't need to be a premium kit with expensive switches and LEDs and whatnot. It just needs to be the right form factor. It feels like the people selling kits are taking advantage of its niche nature. (Though, it really shouldn't be niche; being able to type at the speed of speech/thought is more of a "bicycle for the mind" than any AI.)

James_Henry 3y ago

Doesn't stenotype also have chording though?