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High heels kill people, usually by being the cause for a fall. Though if your argument is that your less-than-lethal product is safe.. testing it on yourself s

High heels kill people, usually by being the cause for a fall. Though if your argument is that your less-than-lethal product is safe.. testing it on yourself seems pretty on point. The alternatives to tazing someone are pepper spray (has it's own deaths caused by it) or 9mm which is quite a bit more fatal.

woodruffw 3y ago
I don't think the GP was at significant risk of dying from a fall in stationary heels; this is a distraction. > The alternatives to tazing someone are pepper spray (has it's own deaths caused by it) or 9mm which is quite a bit more fatal. The alternative is none of the above. American police use "less-lethal" weaponry to a far greater extent (and with far more ease) than comparable countries.
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  Talking about deaths is silly without talking about the rate of those deaths. That's the point of the high heels kill people. If you remove LTL options, then yes American cops will do what UK cops do and use unarmed strikes. That means repeatedly striking, hitting and keeping in a stress position a suspect. Striking people kills them. It kills them at a much, much, much higher rate than pepper spray or tasers.
rightbyte 3y ago
You forgot batons. Has batons really gone out of fashion that much? In theory it is good to have a middle ground between batons and pistols for handling e.g. knife wielding mental patients or whatever. But I don't think these kind of special weapons like papper spray or tazers should be given to anything but designated units specialized in handling insane people. Ordinary cops are just too stupid to be given ways to "safely" hurt people. They will use it too much.
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  Batons *really* kill people next to pepper spray and tasers. It's a steel rod (or wooden if very old). One of the selling points of a baton is that it can be used lethally. If you start engaging with a baton and the suspect pulls a knife, you still use the baton but use different strike areas. Pepper spray causes irritation and is corrected with water. Deaths usually occur in someone with compromised airways or who has heart issues. Tasers leave no impacts and cause deaths in those with heart issues. Batons break bones and disable joints. The old school method was to break the suspects collarbone which makes raising the arm very hard - but that is difficult for a smaller person so now they use disabling joint strikes. The side of the knee cap is a nice prime spot.

woodruffw 3y ago

I don't think the GP was at significant risk of dying from a fall in stationary heels; this is a distraction. > The alternatives to tazing someone are pepper spray (has it's own deaths caused by it) or 9mm which is quite a bit more fatal. The alternative is none of the above. American police use "less-lethal" weaponry to a far greater extent (and with far more ease) than comparable countries.

vorpalhex 3y ago
Talking about deaths is silly without talking about the rate of those deaths. That's the point of the high heels kill people. If you remove LTL options, then yes American cops will do what UK cops do and use unarmed strikes. That means repeatedly striking, hitting and keeping in a stress position a suspect. Striking people kills them. It kills them at a much, much, much higher rate than pepper spray or tasers.

rightbyte 3y ago

You forgot batons. Has batons really gone out of fashion that much? In theory it is good to have a middle ground between batons and pistols for handling e.g. knife wielding mental patients or whatever. But I don't think these kind of special weapons like papper spray or tazers should be given to anything but designated units specialized in handling insane people. Ordinary cops are just too stupid to be given ways to "safely" hurt people. They will use it too much.

vorpalhex 3y ago
Batons *really* kill people next to pepper spray and tasers. It's a steel rod (or wooden if very old). One of the selling points of a baton is that it can be used lethally. If you start engaging with a baton and the suspect pulls a knife, you still use the baton but use different strike areas. Pepper spray causes irritation and is corrected with water. Deaths usually occur in someone with compromised airways or who has heart issues. Tasers leave no impacts and cause deaths in those with heart issues. Batons break bones and disable joints. The old school method was to break the suspects collarbone which makes raising the arm very hard - but that is difficult for a smaller person so now they use disabling joint strikes. The side of the knee cap is a nice prime spot.