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I'm gonna kick myself later for this. Why?

invalidOrTaken 3y ago
don't worry, I already got my dose of theo-argument out of twitter the other day. To your question, I basically agree with Russell's argument that a truly omnipotent God can just skip means and go straight to ends. But there are multiple instances of Christ facing something unwanted--- the most memorable being the Crucifixion. If all-powerful, why go through with it? And if any good thing came of it, why not just omnipotence that thing into existence and skip the hard stuff? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the divinity, and supremacy, of Christ, and I believe Christ when He said that "all things are possible to him that believeth". But hard omnipotence, transcending even logic, seems pretty conclusively ruled out to me. I hope you don't kick yourself!
- beaker52 3y ago
  > And if any good thing came of it, why not just omnipotence that thing into existence and skip the hard stuff? I have an answer for you. The tl;dr is that it’s not about the result, but read on. So the outcome isn’t the reason. How do I know? Time isn’t a thing for God - he can skip to the end. God can have any state he desires, in an instant. Yet he is here through us. But why? We’ll answer this from two sides, first: why not? You’re infinite and can have literally everything, everywhere, all at once, in fact, you don’t even know what sensations are, so what else are you going to do? Think about that for a moment. You’re infinite. You’re the king with untold riches. Bearing that context in mind: why? The answer is the same. Because you’re a single infinite being. You can literally have everything, everywhere, all at once. God isn’t good or evil. He is good and evil. So as an infinite being, what don’t you have? Limitations, form (a limitation) and friends (someone that’s not you, because you’re it - the beginning and end). So this - _is_ the why. Why God did this. So that is to say that we’re all God, experiencing limitation, form and companionship. And to keep the illusion going, God has to hide the ultimate secret truth from himself: that he is infinite, that he has everything, everywhere, all at once. But here we are trapped on a lonely planet with finite potential in a seemingly infinite box called space. Here, we are, experiencing _this_, feeling, sensing, solitude, companionship, separation, union, pain, joy. We experience who we are, because God has temporarily forgotten his infinity.
  - rednerrus 3y ago
    Man am I glad I asked. This really helped to turn my day, and maybe my life, around. Thank you!
    - beaker52 3y ago
      I’m glad it meant something to you. So that I can better serve others in future, may I ask what made you feel that way?

don't worry, I already got my dose of theo-argument out of twitter the other day. To your question, I basically agree with Russell's argument that a truly omnipotent God can just skip means and go straight to ends. But there are multiple instances of Christ facing something unwanted--- the most memorable being the Crucifixion. If all-powerful, why go through with it? And if any good thing came of it, why not just omnipotence that thing into existence and skip the hard stuff? Don't get me wrong, I believe in the divinity, and supremacy, of Christ, and I believe Christ when He said that "all things are possible to him that believeth". But hard omnipotence, transcending even logic, seems pretty conclusively ruled out to me. I hope you don't kick yourself!

beaker52 3y ago
> And if any good thing came of it, why not just omnipotence that thing into existence and skip the hard stuff? I have an answer for you. The tl;dr is that it’s not about the result, but read on. So the outcome isn’t the reason. How do I know? Time isn’t a thing for God - he can skip to the end. God can have any state he desires, in an instant. Yet he is here through us. But why? We’ll answer this from two sides, first: why not? You’re infinite and can have literally everything, everywhere, all at once, in fact, you don’t even know what sensations are, so what else are you going to do? Think about that for a moment. You’re infinite. You’re the king with untold riches. Bearing that context in mind: why? The answer is the same. Because you’re a single infinite being. You can literally have everything, everywhere, all at once. God isn’t good or evil. He is good and evil. So as an infinite being, what don’t you have? Limitations, form (a limitation) and friends (someone that’s not you, because you’re it - the beginning and end). So this - _is_ the why. Why God did this. So that is to say that we’re all God, experiencing limitation, form and companionship. And to keep the illusion going, God has to hide the ultimate secret truth from himself: that he is infinite, that he has everything, everywhere, all at once. But here we are trapped on a lonely planet with finite potential in a seemingly infinite box called space. Here, we are, experiencing _this_, feeling, sensing, solitude, companionship, separation, union, pain, joy. We experience who we are, because God has temporarily forgotten his infinity.
- rednerrus 3y ago
  Man am I glad I asked. This really helped to turn my day, and maybe my life, around. Thank you!
  - beaker52 3y ago
    I’m glad it meant something to you. So that I can better serve others in future, may I ask what made you feel that way?