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Freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn’t have negative externalities?

• _2z1p 3y ago
  Unpopular opinion around here, but strong hallucinogenic drugs can have negative externalities.
  • grglburgp 3y ago
    Same as computers, cars, fossil fuels, social media, airplanes, plastic, guns, politics, capitalism, sunlight… Did you hear about life itself? Leading cause of death.
  • Tostino 3y ago
    Anything worse than alcohol?
    • penjelly 3y ago
      one often discussed topic of psychedelics is "ego shedding/death" usually seen as a positive thing, which it can be. But it can certainly misalign you for life as you currently know it. So, you may end up "in a worse situation" if your life was going well, you experience "ego shedding" after which you struggle to return to "normal life". This concept is terrifying for a lot of people, and rightly so i think
    • lockhouse 3y ago
      Permanent psychosis or murdering your friends and family because you hallucinated them into a harmful monster? https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9pmz/acid-lsd-fuelled-murder-homicide https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9pmz/acid-lsd-fuelled-murd...
      • xyzwave 3y ago
        You’re cherry-picking [0] (using Vice to boot). Not to mention people do that without drugs. How about the thousands who don’t commit violent crimes as a result of taking these drugs [1]? Sorta like the clothesline paradox [2]. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherry%20picking%2C%20suppressing%20evidence%2C%20or,that%20may%20contradict%20that%20position https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherr.... 1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3 2. https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-clothesline-paradox-and-the-sharing-economy/ https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-clothesline-paradox-and-th...
        • carlmr 3y ago
          Adding to that, alcohol is worse in these categories.