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And LSD

by simonswords82 3y ago

And LSD

CameronNemo 3y ago
OK I'm really high now. What next?
- jondwillis 3y ago
  Freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn’t have negative externalities?
  - _2z1p 3y ago
    Unpopular opinion around here, but strong hallucinogenic drugs can have negative externalities.
    - grglburgp 3y ago
      Same as computers, cars, fossil fuels, social media, airplanes, plastic, guns, politics, capitalism, sunlight… Did you hear about life itself? Leading cause of death.
    - Tostino 3y ago
      Anything worse than alcohol?
      - penjelly 3y ago
        one often discussed topic of psychedelics is "ego shedding/death" usually seen as a positive thing, which it can be. But it can certainly misalign you for life as you currently know it. So, you may end up "in a worse situation" if your life was going well, you experience "ego shedding" after which you struggle to return to "normal life". This concept is terrifying for a lot of people, and rightly so i think
      - lockhouse 3y ago
        Permanent psychosis or murdering your friends and family because you hallucinated them into a harmful monster? https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9pmz/acid-lsd-fuelled-murder-homicide https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9pmz/acid-lsd-fuelled-murd...
        xyzwave 3y ago
        You’re cherry-picking [0] (using Vice to boot). Not to mention people do that without drugs. How about the thousands who don’t commit violent crimes as a result of taking these drugs [1]? Sorta like the clothesline paradox [2]. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherry%20picking%2C%20suppressing%20evidence%2C%20or,that%20may%20contradict%20that%20position https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherr.... 1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3 2. https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-clothesline-paradox-and-the-sharing-economy/ https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-clothesline-paradox-and-th...
        carlmr 3y ago
        Adding to that, alcohol is worse in these categories.
- deleted 3y ago
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- jrflowers 3y ago
  Play Katamari
- voxelghost 3y ago
  polynomial quotient rings
  - FFP999 3y ago
    No you got the order backwards. Remember the old saying from college: "Polynomial quotient rings before acid, the rest of your day will be quiet and placid. Acid before polynomial quotient rings, you'll wish that you hadn't done one of those things."
runnerup 3y ago
And anabolic steroids.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  I disagree. Anabolic steroids can be extremely harmful, even to others as it can cause "roid rage." They can also be addictive. https://recovery.org/steroid-addiction/ https://recovery.org/steroid-addiction/
  - FFP999 3y ago
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  - runnerup 3y ago
    It's extremely rare that anyone gets "roid rage" or addiction. Rage is induced far more often by people not being able to vape/smoke in airports. Any kind of rage associated with steroids is usually caused by too little estrogen, which only really happens when taking anti-estrogen pills, not generally from the steroids themselves, and when this happens can be rapidly fixed by adjusting hormones with hCG, HMG, or estradiol valerate -- none of which are scheduled, hCG is cheap on the gray market, and estradiol is widely available to trans women. Addiction is so rare that the American Medical Association, FDA, and even the DEA itself opposed scheduling anabolic steroids, because of the lack of evidence that steroid use resulted in dependence[0]. This is why it simply doesn't belong on the controlled substance schedules. There's a lot of post-hoc justification and propaganda about it now that it's illegal. But the evidence doesn't support this propaganda. It is fairly effective at convincing a non-trivial amount of the population though. 0: https://healthlaw.org/increasing-access-to-testosterone-to-improve-the-lives-of-transmasculine-people/#:~:text=The%20law%20was%20opposed%20by,of%20the%20Controlled%20Substances%20Act https://healthlaw.org/increasing-access-to-testosterone-to-i....

And LSD

CameronNemo 3y ago

OK I'm really high now. What next?

jondwillis 3y ago
Freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn’t have negative externalities?
- _2z1p 3y ago
  Unpopular opinion around here, but strong hallucinogenic drugs can have negative externalities.
  - grglburgp 3y ago
    Same as computers, cars, fossil fuels, social media, airplanes, plastic, guns, politics, capitalism, sunlight… Did you hear about life itself? Leading cause of death.
  - Tostino 3y ago
    Anything worse than alcohol?
    - penjelly 3y ago
      one often discussed topic of psychedelics is "ego shedding/death" usually seen as a positive thing, which it can be. But it can certainly misalign you for life as you currently know it. So, you may end up "in a worse situation" if your life was going well, you experience "ego shedding" after which you struggle to return to "normal life". This concept is terrifying for a lot of people, and rightly so i think
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      Permanent psychosis or murdering your friends and family because you hallucinated them into a harmful monster? https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9pmz/acid-lsd-fuelled-murder-homicide https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9pmz/acid-lsd-fuelled-murd...
      - xyzwave 3y ago
        You’re cherry-picking [0] (using Vice to boot). Not to mention people do that without drugs. How about the thousands who don’t commit violent crimes as a result of taking these drugs [1]? Sorta like the clothesline paradox [2]. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherry%20picking%2C%20suppressing%20evidence%2C%20or,that%20may%20contradict%20that%20position https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherr.... 1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01336-3 2. https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-clothesline-paradox-and-the-sharing-economy/ https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-clothesline-paradox-and-th...
        carlmr 3y ago
        Adding to that, alcohol is worse in these categories.
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jrflowers 3y ago
Play Katamari
voxelghost 3y ago
polynomial quotient rings
- FFP999 3y ago
  No you got the order backwards. Remember the old saying from college: "Polynomial quotient rings before acid, the rest of your day will be quiet and placid. Acid before polynomial quotient rings, you'll wish that you hadn't done one of those things."

runnerup 3y ago

And anabolic steroids.

lockhouse 3y ago
I disagree. Anabolic steroids can be extremely harmful, even to others as it can cause "roid rage." They can also be addictive. https://recovery.org/steroid-addiction/ https://recovery.org/steroid-addiction/
- FFP999 3y ago
  [dead]
- runnerup 3y ago
  It's extremely rare that anyone gets "roid rage" or addiction. Rage is induced far more often by people not being able to vape/smoke in airports. Any kind of rage associated with steroids is usually caused by too little estrogen, which only really happens when taking anti-estrogen pills, not generally from the steroids themselves, and when this happens can be rapidly fixed by adjusting hormones with hCG, HMG, or estradiol valerate -- none of which are scheduled, hCG is cheap on the gray market, and estradiol is widely available to trans women. Addiction is so rare that the American Medical Association, FDA, and even the DEA itself opposed scheduling anabolic steroids, because of the lack of evidence that steroid use resulted in dependence[0]. This is why it simply doesn't belong on the controlled substance schedules. There's a lot of post-hoc justification and propaganda about it now that it's illegal. But the evidence doesn't support this propaganda. It is fairly effective at convincing a non-trivial amount of the population though. 0: https://healthlaw.org/increasing-access-to-testosterone-to-improve-the-lives-of-transmasculine-people/#:~:text=The%20law%20was%20opposed%20by,of%20the%20Controlled%20Substances%20Act https://healthlaw.org/increasing-access-to-testosterone-to-i....