4 ms·

You start off with a maybe interesting point (Matthew 7:3) and then instead of the obvious conclusion "all software / operating systems are full of flaws, their

You start off with a maybe interesting point (Matthew 7:3) and then instead of the obvious conclusion "all software / operating systems are full of flaws, their advocates don't notice the familiar ones and do notice other ones" you go for "windows users are dumb hurr hurr"? Isn't the point of your frame of reference story that it's not "headteacher smart, students dumb" but "headteacher attention drawn to different things than student attention"? I aggressively deal with annoyances in Windows, I run Windows 10 Pro in the UK and stay away from cloud services and Edge and Bing so maybe I don't see as many adverts as others? Yet recently on Ubuntu Server I mistyped a Ceph command related to Rados Block Device (rbd), transposing the last two letters I wrote "rdb". Ubuntu told me: user@server:~# rdb Command 'rdb' not found, but there are 22 similar ones. user@server:~# What is anyone supposed to do with that message?? That is incomprehensible that someone would go to the effort of programming that message thinking it was in any way useful. How did that make it past code review and Canonical bundling into mainline Ubuntu server? It can go with the Ubuntu Server installer which, when there's no network connection asks if you want to continue installing without network access and when you say yes the next step prompts for a proxy server address to get to the internet and the step after tries to connect to the internet to apt update - just running through that one single time or even thinking it through is enough to show the problem there, but apparently Canonical developers ... didn't do either? Or the Ubuntu minimized install option which installs without a text editor of any kind despite being a bloaty 6.3GB and managing to include bash, dash, readline, Python3 and Perl, but 1.7MB of vim.tiny is too much; designed by Silicon Valley doofuses with gigabit internet and no idea of the value of a billion bytes? The specks in Windows are barely noticable in comparison to these planks. Or compared to the poor functionality of macOS finder against Windows Explorer. These are among the hundreds of other digital annoyances Linux users put up with all day long which they "don't understand and can't fix" or rather, which their reference frame has excluded from consideration. (see also: Zawinski's Cascade of Attention Deficit Teenager's development model[1] - they're so used to broken software replaced with broken software endlessly that they can't imagine anything else). Wait, which is the speck and which is the plank? The lesson is Linux users/developers dumb hurr hurr, was it? [1] https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html [edit: have you opened Windows Notepad and pressed F1 for help recently? You'll be greeted with a Bing search for 'get help with notepad in windows'. Who is that supposed to help??].

TheRealDunkirk 3y ago
> You start off with a maybe interesting point... Uh, thanks? The phrase, "damning with faint praise" comes to mind. Indeed, my point was precisely the one you, yourself, referenced, but then you turned "most people just don't even notice any more," (because they don't see it like the people on this forum do) into "Windows users are dumb." I simply didn't say that. If you're implying that because I said they don't know how to turn notifications off, I didn't say that because I think they're too stupid to learn how to do so. A simple search would fix it. They just don't feel it's worth the effort. They don't want to spend time shaving that yak. And I sometimes can't blame them, because, in another month, there's going to be another set of notifications to squash from the continual churn of new purchases and signups. It's an eternal vigilance. > The lesson is Linux users/developers dumb hurr hurr, was it? I.. don't know what to say to that. It's like you were responding to a different comment than mine or something.
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  > ""Windows users are dumb." I simply didn't say that." What's your reason for saying that Windows users who use Windows for things other than games "do not understand computer annoyances" or how to turn them off? --> https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1992/12/02 https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1992/12/02 > "They just don't feel it's worth the effort." ... of course we do. The same way, and for the same reason, you swat spam. And no we don't have 10,000 unread emails because we also get rid of spam.
  - heyoni 3y ago
    People are getting used to it and it’s becoming the norm. That’s all this means. My wife is academically accomplished, knows how to unsubscribe from mailing lists but truly doesn’t care while it drives me crazy. People like my wife (desensitized, not dumb) that can only ever find an email by using the search button are the reason microsoft is testing these boundaries and being so shady.
    - TheRealDunkirk 3y ago

TheRealDunkirk 3y ago

> You start off with a maybe interesting point... Uh, thanks? The phrase, "damning with faint praise" comes to mind. Indeed, my point was precisely the one you, yourself, referenced, but then you turned "most people just don't even notice any more," (because they don't see it like the people on this forum do) into "Windows users are dumb." I simply didn't say that. If you're implying that because I said they don't know how to turn notifications off, I didn't say that because I think they're too stupid to learn how to do so. A simple search would fix it. They just don't feel it's worth the effort. They don't want to spend time shaving that yak. And I sometimes can't blame them, because, in another month, there's going to be another set of notifications to squash from the continual churn of new purchases and signups. It's an eternal vigilance. > The lesson is Linux users/developers dumb hurr hurr, was it? I.. don't know what to say to that. It's like you were responding to a different comment than mine or something.

jodrellblank 3y ago
> ""Windows users are dumb." I simply didn't say that." What's your reason for saying that Windows users who use Windows for things other than games "do not understand computer annoyances" or how to turn them off? --> https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1992/12/02 https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1992/12/02 > "They just don't feel it's worth the effort." ... of course we do. The same way, and for the same reason, you swat spam. And no we don't have 10,000 unread emails because we also get rid of spam.
- heyoni 3y ago
  People are getting used to it and it’s becoming the norm. That’s all this means. My wife is academically accomplished, knows how to unsubscribe from mailing lists but truly doesn’t care while it drives me crazy. People like my wife (desensitized, not dumb) that can only ever find an email by using the search button are the reason microsoft is testing these boundaries and being so shady.
  - TheRealDunkirk 3y ago