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So it wasn't scrum. It was just bullshitters using the word and doing what they wanted to do anyhow.

by t43562 3y ago

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
No True Scotsman?
- t43562 3y ago
  That argument can be used either way around so it's fairly useless. In reality we don't have good software development because people at some level or another don't want to do the things that make it possible. They're always going to pretend they care but do what suits them. It can be from the most basic thing: the customer doesn't want to pay what it really costs to get something good but can be made to pay for something that's going to turn out to be crap in the end.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    > n reality we don't have good software development because people at some level or another don't want to do the things that make it possible. If you're confessing that it's contrary to human nature and/or the engineering thought process, then I humbly accept your concession in this debate.
    - t43562 3y ago
      That's just a deliberate misinterpretation. How can you argue that way with any honesty?
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  No True Scrum Master
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
There may be a mythical "scrum" out there somewhere, but I and no one I've ever known has seen it. As much as I love a No True Scotsman fallacy, if this is the only thing people have ever seen and have ever attached the label "scrum" to... Then that is what scrum is.
- t43562 3y ago
  Well you don't know me but I am not a scrum master and I was on a team that had a great experience with it and are all still friends years after we all went to other jobs. It was the great experience of my life. I know how it worked and why every team I've been on since has not been able to make it work and it all boils down to: 1) internal sabotage - an influential developer does everything they can to shit on it. 2) Management interference - developers could not change the things we needed to change to make it fit our circumstances.

So it wasn't scrum. It was just bullshitters using the word and doing what they wanted to do anyhow.

by t43562 3y ago

So it wasn't scrum. It was just bullshitters using the word and doing what they wanted to do anyhow.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago

No True Scotsman?

t43562 3y ago
That argument can be used either way around so it's fairly useless. In reality we don't have good software development because people at some level or another don't want to do the things that make it possible. They're always going to pretend they care but do what suits them. It can be from the most basic thing: the customer doesn't want to pay what it really costs to get something good but can be made to pay for something that's going to turn out to be crap in the end.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  > n reality we don't have good software development because people at some level or another don't want to do the things that make it possible. If you're confessing that it's contrary to human nature and/or the engineering thought process, then I humbly accept your concession in this debate.
  - t43562 3y ago
    That's just a deliberate misinterpretation. How can you argue that way with any honesty?
WorldMaker 3y ago
No True Scrum Master

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

There may be a mythical "scrum" out there somewhere, but I and no one I've ever known has seen it. As much as I love a No True Scotsman fallacy, if this is the only thing people have ever seen and have ever attached the label "scrum" to... Then that is what scrum is.

t43562 3y ago
Well you don't know me but I am not a scrum master and I was on a team that had a great experience with it and are all still friends years after we all went to other jobs. It was the great experience of my life. I know how it worked and why every team I've been on since has not been able to make it work and it all boils down to: 1) internal sabotage - an influential developer does everything they can to shit on it. 2) Management interference - developers could not change the things we needed to change to make it fit our circumstances.