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Sony is the company that I feel somehow misses this the most. Possibly Microsoft. The lack of integration that Playstations and XBoxes have with anything is r

by taeric 3y ago

Sony is the company that I feel somehow misses this the most. Possibly Microsoft. The lack of integration that Playstations and XBoxes have with anything is rather surprising. Could be as simple as volume control on the TV. Or automatically turn on the TV. Nothing fancy. But nothing exists.

jayd16 3y ago
Get a Sony TV and you can fully control the Playstation with the remote. It handles TV on/off signals and autoconfigures HDR/Display settings. The whole bit.
- monkpit 3y ago
  Isn’t this just HDMI-CEC? I don’t think it requires Sony hardware but I could be wrong.
  - taeric 3y ago
    I'll have to try a newer device, then. Pleasantly surprised to hear that my view is just outdated. :D
  - tracker1 3y ago
    This has been my experience, though some aspects of CEC are hit or miss, especially depending on the TV, AVR and other device(s). I use an NVidia Shield TV with an AVR in my main living space, and a couple others in different rooms. For CEC, some remotes/devices work for everything, others not so much, others still are hit and miss for say volume control, etc.
deaddodo 3y ago
I had a PS5 and an LG television, it integrated just fine. Including the Playstation Media Remote. Could control volume to my sound system, television controls and playstation interaction just fine. This sounds like a "your television not following standards" (HDMI-CEC) problem and not a Sony one.
- taeric 3y ago
  Huh, that is news to me. My TV does a stupid "tv will turn on if I power on a console, but won't automatically switch to that input." I'll have to dig a little on it. Curious what is off on it. That said, I should probably reframe my criticism. Most of this is me being surprised at how bad it was neglected back in 20002ish timeframe. Went many years with no TV to really see some advances. I'm getting a large "batteries got good without paying attention to them" vibe. :D
  - tracker1 3y ago
    You may need to check which input the device is plugged into on the TV, as well as make sure CEC is enabled on the TV in question. Even then sometimes support (volume control) is hit or miss.
  - dwaite 3y ago
    My experience - smart TVs tend to be really bad at CEC during power on, because they are booting while the other device is asking them to execute commands like switching input. I usually set the TV to 'last input on boot' if such a setting exists. I've noticed the Apple TV will ask the TV to switch input via CEC on pretty much any button press, which is non-ideal but is a decent enough workaround.
nerdjon 3y ago
I think Microsoft depends on what market you are looking at. As far as creating a "Microsoft" ecosystem they are doing pretty bad and seem to be trying to force it to happen for their benefit instead of it being a thing that actually gives the user something in return, like you tend to get in Apple's ecosystem. However, if you look at Gaming Microsoft has actually done a pretty good job with this. With their "play anywhere" initiative to buy a game once and it works on Xbox and PC (ignoring that publisher support of it has been hit or miss but thats a different story). Game saves, friend list, etc all being synced between PC and Xbox.
- taeric 3y ago
  I should have put that my understanding was old. I'm happy to see things have come even farther along than I would have expected. But I honestly don't get why this didn't happen early 2000s. The specific thing that always baffled me was how the PSPs couldn't interact with the Playstation at the time. Heck, after the first PSP, I don't know why the next Playstation couldn't take those disks in to let you play on your TV. Why build up a completely separate ecosystem? I see they are moving away from that now, with the PS5 being able to do PS4 games. That is good to see.
vel0city 3y ago
My old Xbox 360 would turn on the TV+receiver and change the input from just pressing the Xbox button on the controller over a decade ago. The Xbox IR receiver worked as a DVD player for the receiver remote as well so I could control the media controls on the Xbox from my receiver's remote.
sleepybrett 3y ago
My playstations and xboxes all turn on my tvs (and switch their inputs) just fine.
WorldMaker 3y ago
Xbox is fun example because they hit some peaks and then actively got worse. The Xbox 360 was somewhat focused on being your living room hub and for many years tried to actually get people to use Windows Media Center, and supported its own and general Media Center remotes. (I used it for streaming some things.) It also had a bunch of support for many TVs that used custom HDMI protocols (pre-HDMI-CEC). The original Xbox One with bundled Kinect was the peak of their integration attempt before "gamer outrage" crippled and then killed its efforts. It supported HDMI-CEC some but it also truly had "universal remote" capabilities as it could use the Kinect's IR depth sensor as an IR blaster to send commands to almost anything that uses a traditional IR remote. It had a big database of IR commands and also could use the IR depth sensor to watch and try to learn any IR remote you pointed at it. On top of that it also had a port on the back to connect a normal IR blaster if you needed to send signals to hardware that wouldn't catch a blast from the Kinect or just wanted to disconnect the Kinect for a bit but still have TV/sound system/cable box control. That Xbox One also had an HDMI passthrough and could picture-in-picture with something like a cable box. (It also support picture-in-picture from some apps at the time.) The original on-device-only voice recognition with the Kinect was great and "Xbox, Volume Up" was something I used all the time on the original Xbox One until Cortana took over the voice recognition and made it far more cumbersome. The OneGuide was an interesting attempt to show you a mixture of your TV/Cable grids and highlighted content from streaming apps you had installed. It would let you jump to channels on TV or Cable just as easily as launching something like Hulu straight into a show. Almost all of those features were eventually shutdown or left to slowly break in the drastic post-launch retooling from the "gamer outrage" that the Xbox One was "gamer-focused enough" and their pressure that the Xbox should be "only for games". (The Xbox One and Xbox Series still support rudimentary HDMI-CEC, but in my experience it is hit-and-miss and definitely nowhere near as well supported as the "universal remote" stuff.)
vGPU 3y ago
What you’re talking about is CEC & ARC support. Unfortunately, that too is a buggy mess, hence why universal/programmable remotes still exist.

by taeric 3y ago

jayd16 3y ago

Get a Sony TV and you can fully control the Playstation with the remote. It handles TV on/off signals and autoconfigures HDR/Display settings. The whole bit.

monkpit 3y ago
Isn’t this just HDMI-CEC? I don’t think it requires Sony hardware but I could be wrong.
- taeric 3y ago
  I'll have to try a newer device, then. Pleasantly surprised to hear that my view is just outdated. :D
- tracker1 3y ago
  This has been my experience, though some aspects of CEC are hit or miss, especially depending on the TV, AVR and other device(s). I use an NVidia Shield TV with an AVR in my main living space, and a couple others in different rooms. For CEC, some remotes/devices work for everything, others not so much, others still are hit and miss for say volume control, etc.

deaddodo 3y ago

I had a PS5 and an LG television, it integrated just fine. Including the Playstation Media Remote. Could control volume to my sound system, television controls and playstation interaction just fine. This sounds like a "your television not following standards" (HDMI-CEC) problem and not a Sony one.

taeric 3y ago
Huh, that is news to me. My TV does a stupid "tv will turn on if I power on a console, but won't automatically switch to that input." I'll have to dig a little on it. Curious what is off on it. That said, I should probably reframe my criticism. Most of this is me being surprised at how bad it was neglected back in 20002ish timeframe. Went many years with no TV to really see some advances. I'm getting a large "batteries got good without paying attention to them" vibe. :D
- tracker1 3y ago
  You may need to check which input the device is plugged into on the TV, as well as make sure CEC is enabled on the TV in question. Even then sometimes support (volume control) is hit or miss.
- dwaite 3y ago
  My experience - smart TVs tend to be really bad at CEC during power on, because they are booting while the other device is asking them to execute commands like switching input. I usually set the TV to 'last input on boot' if such a setting exists. I've noticed the Apple TV will ask the TV to switch input via CEC on pretty much any button press, which is non-ideal but is a decent enough workaround.

nerdjon 3y ago

I think Microsoft depends on what market you are looking at. As far as creating a "Microsoft" ecosystem they are doing pretty bad and seem to be trying to force it to happen for their benefit instead of it being a thing that actually gives the user something in return, like you tend to get in Apple's ecosystem. However, if you look at Gaming Microsoft has actually done a pretty good job with this. With their "play anywhere" initiative to buy a game once and it works on Xbox and PC (ignoring that publisher support of it has been hit or miss but thats a different story). Game saves, friend list, etc all being synced between PC and Xbox.

taeric 3y ago
I should have put that my understanding was old. I'm happy to see things have come even farther along than I would have expected. But I honestly don't get why this didn't happen early 2000s. The specific thing that always baffled me was how the PSPs couldn't interact with the Playstation at the time. Heck, after the first PSP, I don't know why the next Playstation couldn't take those disks in to let you play on your TV. Why build up a completely separate ecosystem? I see they are moving away from that now, with the PS5 being able to do PS4 games. That is good to see.

vel0city 3y ago

My old Xbox 360 would turn on the TV+receiver and change the input from just pressing the Xbox button on the controller over a decade ago. The Xbox IR receiver worked as a DVD player for the receiver remote as well so I could control the media controls on the Xbox from my receiver's remote.

sleepybrett 3y ago

My playstations and xboxes all turn on my tvs (and switch their inputs) just fine.

WorldMaker 3y ago

Xbox is fun example because they hit some peaks and then actively got worse. The Xbox 360 was somewhat focused on being your living room hub and for many years tried to actually get people to use Windows Media Center, and supported its own and general Media Center remotes. (I used it for streaming some things.) It also had a bunch of support for many TVs that used custom HDMI protocols (pre-HDMI-CEC). The original Xbox One with bundled Kinect was the peak of their integration attempt before "gamer outrage" crippled and then killed its efforts. It supported HDMI-CEC some but it also truly had "universal remote" capabilities as it could use the Kinect's IR depth sensor as an IR blaster to send commands to almost anything that uses a traditional IR remote. It had a big database of IR commands and also could use the IR depth sensor to watch and try to learn any IR remote you pointed at it. On top of that it also had a port on the back to connect a normal IR blaster if you needed to send signals to hardware that wouldn't catch a blast from the Kinect or just wanted to disconnect the Kinect for a bit but still have TV/sound system/cable box control. That Xbox One also had an HDMI passthrough and could picture-in-picture with something like a cable box. (It also support picture-in-picture from some apps at the time.) The original on-device-only voice recognition with the Kinect was great and "Xbox, Volume Up" was something I used all the time on the original Xbox One until Cortana took over the voice recognition and made it far more cumbersome. The OneGuide was an interesting attempt to show you a mixture of your TV/Cable grids and highlighted content from streaming apps you had installed. It would let you jump to channels on TV or Cable just as easily as launching something like Hulu straight into a show. Almost all of those features were eventually shutdown or left to slowly break in the drastic post-launch retooling from the "gamer outrage" that the Xbox One was "gamer-focused enough" and their pressure that the Xbox should be "only for games". (The Xbox One and Xbox Series still support rudimentary HDMI-CEC, but in my experience it is hit-and-miss and definitely nowhere near as well supported as the "universal remote" stuff.)

vGPU 3y ago

What you’re talking about is CEC & ARC support. Unfortunately, that too is a buggy mess, hence why universal/programmable remotes still exist.