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I am not an entusiast, the only thing I care about is my kids safety, hence a large SUV. When you will somehow remove drunks and low-IQ maniacs from roads, you

by kozzz 3y ago

I am not an entusiast, the only thing I care about is my kids safety, hence a large SUV. When you will somehow remove drunks and low-IQ maniacs from roads, you can come and ask me to buy a smaller vehicle. Until then, please say for yourself and don’t attack my rights to safer roads

bdavbdav 3y ago
Your “right to safer roads” is unwittingly causing unsafer roads.
carlob 3y ago
And then when all the drunks and low-IQ maniacs finally buy a new car and it's as big as yours you can easily upgrade to a tank.
dotancohen 3y ago
Prisoner's dilemma, got it. Thanks.
- tristor 3y ago
  It's only an iterated prisoner's dilemma because of vehicle height and difficulty in seeing farther down the road due to all the large vehicles. But in every other aspect, the data shows nearly the opposite that this person is stating. If they actually cared about safety they'd buy a sedan.
ska 3y ago
Large SUV's are actively make the roads less safe overall though. It's a tough collective action problem. It probably makes sense to at least remove the implicit subsidies of them though (they should never have been allowed separate emissions treatment aimed at commercial vehicles), if not something like the article suggests.
tristor 3y ago
> I am not an entusiast, the only thing I care about is my kids safety, hence a large SUV. When you will somehow remove drunks and low-IQ maniacs from roads, you can come and ask me to buy a smaller vehicle. Until then, please say for yourself and don’t attack my rights to safer roads I feel like this has to be Poe's Law in action. Larger vehicles are actually not safer, either for the occupants or for others on the road, counter-intuitively they are less safe. So, in actuality you've just outed yourself as a selfish a-hole who chooses the most anti-social option possible without actually looking at any of the data to make an informed decision. If you actually cared about your family the about the safest vehicle you can buy is a sedan, and you'd invest the money saved in keeping good quality tires on the car, keeping up with maintenance, and taking a performance driving class. The existence of your unnecessary behemoth lumbering down the road is an attack on my right to a safer road, as well my right to live on an Earth that doesn't require me to live in a hermetically sealed bubble with filtered water and air to get away from the excessive pollution caused by your behemoth (not the least of which is the microplastics it spews everywhere).
- networkchad 3y ago
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- kozzz 3y ago
  I absolutely did look at the data and you could, as well. The issue with NCAP and similar ratings is that their only method is to collide a vehicle with infinitely massive and rigid structure. In reality, it’s more nuanced. While a semi might not look good in the NCAP chart, it’s basically invincible in the case of actual crash involving other vehicles smaller than itself. If you’re careful enough to not go off the road or hit concrete barriers, the larger vehicle will provide more safety to the occupants. https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-high-among-small-cars https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-h...

by kozzz 3y ago

bdavbdav 3y ago

Your “right to safer roads” is unwittingly causing unsafer roads.

carlob 3y ago

And then when all the drunks and low-IQ maniacs finally buy a new car and it's as big as yours you can easily upgrade to a tank.

dotancohen 3y ago

Prisoner's dilemma, got it. Thanks.

tristor 3y ago
It's only an iterated prisoner's dilemma because of vehicle height and difficulty in seeing farther down the road due to all the large vehicles. But in every other aspect, the data shows nearly the opposite that this person is stating. If they actually cared about safety they'd buy a sedan.

ska 3y ago

Large SUV's are actively make the roads less safe overall though. It's a tough collective action problem. It probably makes sense to at least remove the implicit subsidies of them though (they should never have been allowed separate emissions treatment aimed at commercial vehicles), if not something like the article suggests.

tristor 3y ago

> I am not an entusiast, the only thing I care about is my kids safety, hence a large SUV. When you will somehow remove drunks and low-IQ maniacs from roads, you can come and ask me to buy a smaller vehicle. Until then, please say for yourself and don’t attack my rights to safer roads I feel like this has to be Poe's Law in action. Larger vehicles are actually not safer, either for the occupants or for others on the road, counter-intuitively they are less safe. So, in actuality you've just outed yourself as a selfish a-hole who chooses the most anti-social option possible without actually looking at any of the data to make an informed decision. If you actually cared about your family the about the safest vehicle you can buy is a sedan, and you'd invest the money saved in keeping good quality tires on the car, keeping up with maintenance, and taking a performance driving class. The existence of your unnecessary behemoth lumbering down the road is an attack on my right to a safer road, as well my right to live on an Earth that doesn't require me to live in a hermetically sealed bubble with filtered water and air to get away from the excessive pollution caused by your behemoth (not the least of which is the microplastics it spews everywhere).

networkchad 3y ago
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kozzz 3y ago
I absolutely did look at the data and you could, as well. The issue with NCAP and similar ratings is that their only method is to collide a vehicle with infinitely massive and rigid structure. In reality, it’s more nuanced. While a semi might not look good in the NCAP chart, it’s basically invincible in the case of actual crash involving other vehicles smaller than itself. If you’re careful enough to not go off the road or hit concrete barriers, the larger vehicle will provide more safety to the occupants. https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-high-among-small-cars https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/driver-death-rates-remain-h...