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The mustang is an SUV. Look at th size of its wheels.

pixelatedindex 3y ago
Size of the wheels don’t make an SUV. In fact, wheel sizes have been constantly increasing, no matter the car. My Mazda3 has far bigger tires than the Camry from 15 years prior. It’s also detrimental to fuel economy.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  > Size of the wheels don’t make an SUV I was half joking because there is no clear definition of what it is. The name do not translate, most SUV aren't sporty nor utilitary. At least they are vehicles. Wheel size? you said it, all are growing bigger and bigger yeat after year regardless of category. off-road capability? nope ground clearance? nope, a tesla model Y or that new Kia sit closer to the ground than many non SUV. hatchback shape? nope, there are now SUV coupe, concertibles, and some will rank pickup trucks in the SUV category. how high are the driver/passenger seated? nope again, some vans are higher. I think what now caracterize a SUV isn't even a combination of these variables but more a tag from the brands marketing team and a general perception based on the car looking vaguely more boxy and bulbeous than other models of the same brand.
  - pixelatedindex 3y ago
    Yeah I understand that sentiment. I use the “on stilts” metaphor - a sedan or a hatchback on stilts is an SUV to me. A van is a van, those rarely go on stilts. We also have a new segment called “crossover”, which is an SUV without the S. There’s no coherent formula for what an SUV/crossover is, but ride height is my rule of thumb. But then I ask myself “where does the Jeep Wrangler fit in?” - afaic, it’s an SUV.
jazzyjackson 3y ago
The Mach-E crossover weighs a thousand pounds more, OP is talking about the ol' gas powered coupe
- prmoustache 3y ago
  I was also talking about the gas coupe. Take a minute and look at it with european eyes: - it has comparably as large wheels as most euro SUVs - it looks bulky and square - it sits comparatively as high from the ground than most euros SUV. - it is bigger and probably heavier than most euros SUV. [1] And many manufacturers have introduced the concept of SUV coupe like Mercedes or BMW. Given these caracteristics, it could just be called an SUV in the euro market. The only reason it is not is because it was introduced to play on the nostalgy of a pony car of the 60's. [1] I think what of the most sold car in the SUV category in europe is the Peugeot 2008 which is just a bulkier shaped 208 with larger wheels. The 208 is considered a small/compact car. The 2008 is barely bigger and a mustang dwarfs it.
  - thedrbrian 3y ago
    There is nowhere on earth that this mustang could be called an SUV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_(seventh_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_(seventh_generati...
    - prmoustache 3y ago
      Only because of perceptions, not because of actual facts/specs. My point here is not to debate if the Mustang is a SUV, I don't personnally consider it one. My point here is to show that there is no clear/undisputable definition of what a SUV is appart from manufacturers labelling it as one and vague perception by the public. Because for each definition you can give you will find an example of a car labeled SUV not adhering strictly to this definition and counter examples of cars not labeled SUV adhering at least partially to some of the definition.
      - jazzyjackson 3y ago
        That the edges are blurry doesn't mean there's no definite thing. For that edge we have the term "crossover" (for example, the Ford Edge) Sports cars in the category of coupe explicitly lack the "U" in "SUV" - that this is referred to as vague or debatable in this thread is a bit maddening, so I will just end with, lol.

Size of the wheels don’t make an SUV. In fact, wheel sizes have been constantly increasing, no matter the car. My Mazda3 has far bigger tires than the Camry from 15 years prior. It’s also detrimental to fuel economy.

prmoustache 3y ago
> Size of the wheels don’t make an SUV I was half joking because there is no clear definition of what it is. The name do not translate, most SUV aren't sporty nor utilitary. At least they are vehicles. Wheel size? you said it, all are growing bigger and bigger yeat after year regardless of category. off-road capability? nope ground clearance? nope, a tesla model Y or that new Kia sit closer to the ground than many non SUV. hatchback shape? nope, there are now SUV coupe, concertibles, and some will rank pickup trucks in the SUV category. how high are the driver/passenger seated? nope again, some vans are higher. I think what now caracterize a SUV isn't even a combination of these variables but more a tag from the brands marketing team and a general perception based on the car looking vaguely more boxy and bulbeous than other models of the same brand.
- pixelatedindex 3y ago
  Yeah I understand that sentiment. I use the “on stilts” metaphor - a sedan or a hatchback on stilts is an SUV to me. A van is a van, those rarely go on stilts. We also have a new segment called “crossover”, which is an SUV without the S. There’s no coherent formula for what an SUV/crossover is, but ride height is my rule of thumb. But then I ask myself “where does the Jeep Wrangler fit in?” - afaic, it’s an SUV.

jazzyjackson 3y ago

The Mach-E crossover weighs a thousand pounds more, OP is talking about the ol' gas powered coupe

prmoustache 3y ago
I was also talking about the gas coupe. Take a minute and look at it with european eyes: - it has comparably as large wheels as most euro SUVs - it looks bulky and square - it sits comparatively as high from the ground than most euros SUV. - it is bigger and probably heavier than most euros SUV. [1] And many manufacturers have introduced the concept of SUV coupe like Mercedes or BMW. Given these caracteristics, it could just be called an SUV in the euro market. The only reason it is not is because it was introduced to play on the nostalgy of a pony car of the 60's. [1] I think what of the most sold car in the SUV category in europe is the Peugeot 2008 which is just a bulkier shaped 208 with larger wheels. The 208 is considered a small/compact car. The 2008 is barely bigger and a mustang dwarfs it.
- thedrbrian 3y ago
  There is nowhere on earth that this mustang could be called an SUV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_(seventh_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_(seventh_generati...
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    Only because of perceptions, not because of actual facts/specs. My point here is not to debate if the Mustang is a SUV, I don't personnally consider it one. My point here is to show that there is no clear/undisputable definition of what a SUV is appart from manufacturers labelling it as one and vague perception by the public. Because for each definition you can give you will find an example of a car labeled SUV not adhering strictly to this definition and counter examples of cars not labeled SUV adhering at least partially to some of the definition.
    - jazzyjackson 3y ago
      That the edges are blurry doesn't mean there's no definite thing. For that edge we have the term "crossover" (for example, the Ford Edge) Sports cars in the category of coupe explicitly lack the "U" in "SUV" - that this is referred to as vague or debatable in this thread is a bit maddening, so I will just end with, lol.