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That's an example of being concerned, though. That is, people imagine a possible future and they are concerned about it. When we think about the future, this i

That's an example of being concerned, though. That is, people imagine a possible future and they are concerned about it. When we think about the future, this is the stuff of imagination, storytelling, and mathematical models. It's mental constructs, not something that actually happened. Many examples used in privacy arguments are like that. If you instead look for things that actually happened, it's things like journalists, activists, doxing, crazy exes, and so on. And certainly if you're in a war, good opsec is important. These are certainly things that happen, but it seems reasonable for many people to look at them and decide their own risk is low, compared to other disasters you could prepare for.

falcolas 3y ago
If you are gay, transsexual, or a woman, (or assist one of those groups with getting medical care) that "war" is upon you now. And, this war has been foretold for decades now.
- skybrian 3y ago
  Yes, this depends on who you are and where you live. By war I meant actual war, like in Ukraine. Also, I don't think Google is the problem for vulnerable minorities, and it might be part of the solution, because they do have good security? Using Google isn't a good idea is you think law enforcement might take an interest and get a warrant, though.
tracker1 3y ago
I also think it's important to maximize personal liberty... even for those you don't agree with. It's disturbing how many people support overt censorship and thought crimes. Eventually it can and will be used against you. Govt in general will always abuse every power granted in the end, and everything you let it do to attack "the other side" can be turned on you.
- skybrian 3y ago
  This is a classic example of an ideological argument. But of course ideology is important to many people.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Of course it's an ideological argument. Censorship in general is almost always about ideology.
theprivacydad 3y ago
I think what's new here is that digital data can be store long-term easily.

falcolas 3y ago

If you are gay, transsexual, or a woman, (or assist one of those groups with getting medical care) that "war" is upon you now. And, this war has been foretold for decades now.

skybrian 3y ago
Yes, this depends on who you are and where you live. By war I meant actual war, like in Ukraine. Also, I don't think Google is the problem for vulnerable minorities, and it might be part of the solution, because they do have good security? Using Google isn't a good idea is you think law enforcement might take an interest and get a warrant, though.

tracker1 3y ago

I also think it's important to maximize personal liberty... even for those you don't agree with. It's disturbing how many people support overt censorship and thought crimes. Eventually it can and will be used against you. Govt in general will always abuse every power granted in the end, and everything you let it do to attack "the other side" can be turned on you.

skybrian 3y ago
This is a classic example of an ideological argument. But of course ideology is important to many people.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Of course it's an ideological argument. Censorship in general is almost always about ideology.

theprivacydad 3y ago

I think what's new here is that digital data can be store long-term easily.