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No, I would hate this regulation and this is everything against what open internet stood for. I can see that you don't want AI companies to exist so you want th

No, I would hate this regulation and this is everything against what open internet stood for. I can see that you don't want AI companies to exist so you want this regulation, but how is different than search engine scraping the internet? If the content is not behind TOS or paywall, it should be equally scrapable by anyone be it search engine or AI companies or me. If the content is copyrighted, it should only be shown if user accepts the terms or pays for it.

daveguy 3y ago
> I can see that you don't want AI companies to exist so you want this regulation, but how is different than search engine scraping the internet? This is unnecessary hyperbole. Preventing the laundering of copyright material through AI algorithms does not prevent AI companies from existing. Take Adobe -- they have license to the training images they use and they have helpful products based on AI processing of those images. It won't be "free" money from dubious sources. But AI does not depend on the laundering of copyright material. The difference is whether or not you are scraping and then generating similar products (eg the images themselves) or whether you are scraping for some other purpose.
jongjong 3y ago
I believe there are rules relating to copyright which allow using up to a certain number of words of text from an original text without infringing on copyright. I think a difference with search engines there is that search engines reference the source with a link whereas the AI does not. Also, critically, search engines do not claim copyright over the text shown in their results pages. I think that forms the legal basis for why AIs should be allowed to train on public data for free but it does not form a legal basis for AI to have copyrights over the output.

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No, I would hate this regulation and this is everything against what open internet stood for. I can see that you don't want AI companies to exist so you want th

by YetAnotherNick 3y ago

daveguy 3y ago
> I can see that you don't want AI companies to exist so you want this regulation, but how is different than search engine scraping the internet? This is unnecessary hyperbole. Preventing the laundering of copyright material through AI algorithms does not prevent AI companies from existing. Take Adobe -- they have license to the training images they use and they have helpful products based on AI processing of those images. It won't be "free" money from dubious sources. But AI does not depend on the laundering of copyright material. The difference is whether or not you are scraping and then generating similar products (eg the images themselves) or whether you are scraping for some other purpose.
jongjong 3y ago
I believe there are rules relating to copyright which allow using up to a certain number of words of text from an original text without infringing on copyright. I think a difference with search engines there is that search engines reference the source with a link whereas the AI does not. Also, critically, search engines do not claim copyright over the text shown in their results pages. I think that forms the legal basis for why AIs should be allowed to train on public data for free but it does not form a legal basis for AI to have copyrights over the output.