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This is not true, at least not in Europe. Wagons/sedans didn't disappear, we drive recent BMW 5 series and there are plenty of others (Audi A6, Skoda Superb, VW

This is not true, at least not in Europe. Wagons/sedans didn't disappear, we drive recent BMW 5 series and there are plenty of others (Audi A6, Skoda Superb, VW Passat, Mercedes and so on and on). Its as wide as it gets and you can buy official or unofficial conversion of back seat into 3-same-seat row. You just click a conversion layer into ISOFIX from what I recall. It doesn't magically make back row wider, so you can't fit comfortably 3 taller adults regardless of seat arrangements, but 3 child seats are easy. It then has exactly same space as usual 3-seaters like Seat Alhambra, its VW equivalent etc. but you drive much better, more powerful and also safer car (ie frontal crumple zones). If you think about 3 solid wide seats for 3 adults, such a car wouldn't fit in regular parking spot in most EU/Switzerland and struggled on narrower roads, yeah we normally don't do that kind of stuff here since roads and parking spaces are shared among everybody.

wazoox 3y ago
"Wagons" are Chrysler Voyager, Renault Scenic, Citroën Picasso, Volkswagen Golf Plus, Toyota Prius+ and those have almost entirely disappeared (Golf Plus and Prius Plus aren't made anymore; Picasso will disappear this year, etc). BMW series 5, Audi A6 etc are sedans. These are strongly declining too; SUVs make more about 40% of sales of new vehicles in Europe.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  The Audi A6 Allroad is definitely a wagon. BMW had a 5-series wagon but stopped selling it in the US a little over a decade ago.
- felixfbecker 3y ago
  The Audi A6 comes in both a sedan and wagon (hatch back) variant (named "Avant"), I would assume saiya-jin was referring to the wagon variant. The only wagon variants sold in the US are the "allroad quattro" variant and the RS6 though.
  - jeroen 3y ago
    Same for the 5-series, the Passat, and others mentioned. Those are available as wagons in Europe and still seem to sell well, based on what I see on the roads.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  You are a bit lost and clearly no clue what you comment about, I personally have BMW 5 series wagon (F11 model to be precise). VW has Passat wagon, Skoda has Octavia/Superb wagon etc. I see them here in Europe much more often than sedans, if you go for big car you usually also want the maximum trunk space.

wazoox 3y ago

"Wagons" are Chrysler Voyager, Renault Scenic, Citroën Picasso, Volkswagen Golf Plus, Toyota Prius+ and those have almost entirely disappeared (Golf Plus and Prius Plus aren't made anymore; Picasso will disappear this year, etc). BMW series 5, Audi A6 etc are sedans. These are strongly declining too; SUVs make more about 40% of sales of new vehicles in Europe.

sokoloff 3y ago
The Audi A6 Allroad is definitely a wagon. BMW had a 5-series wagon but stopped selling it in the US a little over a decade ago.
felixfbecker 3y ago
The Audi A6 comes in both a sedan and wagon (hatch back) variant (named "Avant"), I would assume saiya-jin was referring to the wagon variant. The only wagon variants sold in the US are the "allroad quattro" variant and the RS6 though.
- jeroen 3y ago
  Same for the 5-series, the Passat, and others mentioned. Those are available as wagons in Europe and still seem to sell well, based on what I see on the roads.
saiya-jin 3y ago
You are a bit lost and clearly no clue what you comment about, I personally have BMW 5 series wagon (F11 model to be precise). VW has Passat wagon, Skoda has Octavia/Superb wagon etc. I see them here in Europe much more often than sedans, if you go for big car you usually also want the maximum trunk space.