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> Given your framing of this in terms of class warfare, I'd remind you that Marx Class warfare predates Marx by roughly two thousand years (if not longer). I a

> Given your framing of this in terms of class warfare, I'd remind you that Marx Class warfare predates Marx by roughly two thousand years (if not longer). I am not interested in what he has to say on the matter. It was sufficiently described by greeks, along with where it ultimately leads, as the Kyklos or Anacyclosis. > So this notion of making an argument that it is about class couched in left wing terms does not change that by that same left wing thinking, Class warfare is not a left wing concept. The left and right wing are a result of class warfare, which predates Marx and the rest of his gang of thieves masquerading as revolutionaries. TL;DR I don't care about your bourgeoisie rhetoric of who said what. The proletariat has an absolute right to freely speak its mind without your interference. Deal with it.

vidarh 3y ago
It's interesting that you're reacting this way to Marx being brought up when the language you're using is straight out of the Marxist school of thought. It's also fascinating that you favour the idea of cycles, as in that case trying to fight the bourgeoisie is an inherently lost cause and you'd be better off trying to become part of it. But in any case, the major point was that while you may be free to speak your mind, so are others, and they are also free to choose to not want to associate with people who want to spread hate and bigotry, and you're facing a losing battle. Doubly so if you believe in social cycles (an utterly idiotic concept to buy into today given the amount of change since it was conceived), in which case you're doomed to keeping losing this battle forever.
- EarlKing 3y ago
  It's called the kyklos because it is a cycle of human civilization: we go forward, we go back. Over and over without end. The struggle between the proletariat and bourgeoisie is an inevitable part of that cycle. There is no 'losing' this battle. There is nothing idiotic in pointing out that we're still facing the same struggles because human nature hasn't changed and no one learns from history. In any case: Marx is irrelevant, these people are on the wrong side of history, as is anyone who sides with them. Have fun screaming at a wall.

vidarh 3y ago

It's interesting that you're reacting this way to Marx being brought up when the language you're using is straight out of the Marxist school of thought. It's also fascinating that you favour the idea of cycles, as in that case trying to fight the bourgeoisie is an inherently lost cause and you'd be better off trying to become part of it. But in any case, the major point was that while you may be free to speak your mind, so are others, and they are also free to choose to not want to associate with people who want to spread hate and bigotry, and you're facing a losing battle. Doubly so if you believe in social cycles (an utterly idiotic concept to buy into today given the amount of change since it was conceived), in which case you're doomed to keeping losing this battle forever.

EarlKing 3y ago
It's called the kyklos because it is a cycle of human civilization: we go forward, we go back. Over and over without end. The struggle between the proletariat and bourgeoisie is an inevitable part of that cycle. There is no 'losing' this battle. There is nothing idiotic in pointing out that we're still facing the same struggles because human nature hasn't changed and no one learns from history. In any case: Marx is irrelevant, these people are on the wrong side of history, as is anyone who sides with them. Have fun screaming at a wall.