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> Have you seen Nvidia's valuation lately That's exactly why it's time to strike. They don't want to cause any waves that would stop that momentum. This is the

> Have you seen Nvidia's valuation lately That's exactly why it's time to strike. They don't want to cause any waves that would stop that momentum. This is the perfect time to intimidate them into falling into line just to avoid a public stink.

whalesalad 3y ago
Intimidate them? My brother, they are valued in the trillions of dollars. Also how will you orchestrate this coup and get everyone onboard? Impossible. This is quite honestly the Richard Stallman take. How has that gone? As admirable as it might seem - it has no legs.
- sam0x17 3y ago
  I personally convinced Microsoft to rename GVFS a few years ago (because same name as a GNU project) using similar tactics, just because I thought it would be funny. All it took was front page of HN, a few reddit re-posts, and Slashdot, all driving traffic to a github issue. They went from outright refusing to ever doing anything about it to completely bending over in a matter of days. Major corporations with their toes in the open source space are _terrified_ of dev communities turning on them.
  - justin66 3y ago
    Microsoft politely changed the name of an Azure thingy that no one in the world cares about because its name conflicted with the name of a GNOME thingy that no one in the world cares about. The analogy with Nvidia's product line is imperfect.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  nVidia's entire valuation right now is riding the AI bubble. All you have to do is convince the market that this disagreement might hurt that.
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    Doesn't change the fact that everyone and their brother is ordering H100's as fast as humanely possible and going all-in on CUDA. I agree there is a bubble, but the hype train is going to keep riding for some time.
    - sam0x17 3y ago
      One article saying "AMD playing nice with open source, nVidia not, will nVidia continue to be a leader in AI?" and they'll fold
      - blackoil 3y ago
        That's a daydream. NVidia never played nice with OSS. People still use it and are doubling down on CUDA.
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- lucasyvas 3y ago
  The valuation means nothing since Linux is the more important technology by a landslide. One is the foundation of literally everything - and the other is faster at graphics and leading an emerging LLM market. Computers still work without AI - anything else in the short term is pure hype. My MacBook Pro crushes Llama - NVIDIA hardly has an exclusive advantage.
jacquesm 3y ago
There is no way that the Linux people are going to intimidate NVidia. This is just not going to happen, sorry. There won't be a public stink. All that will happen is that Linux will lose market share and that people will stop seeing Linux as a viable alternative because they are documented as picking fights with industry giants they can't possibly hope to win.
lucasyvas 3y ago
There's no time like the present - the Linux maintainers should have told them to fuck off ages ago and they are being punished for Linus' stance now. Linus is right about a lot of things but letting this charade go on for this long was a mistake. "NVIDIA hates everything Linux stands for" would be a hell of a slogan they would have to adopt. And honestly to some people - who gives a shit if they're the market leader in AI chips? There will be someone else that emerges as a competitor that does play nice. What do we lose by telling NVIDIA to piss off? 2, maybe 3 years tops? This is effectively the last chance I see for the two to divorce and be happier in the future. Otherwise they will be locked in a shitty relationship forever.

whalesalad 3y ago

Intimidate them? My brother, they are valued in the trillions of dollars. Also how will you orchestrate this coup and get everyone onboard? Impossible. This is quite honestly the Richard Stallman take. How has that gone? As admirable as it might seem - it has no legs.

sam0x17 3y ago
I personally convinced Microsoft to rename GVFS a few years ago (because same name as a GNU project) using similar tactics, just because I thought it would be funny. All it took was front page of HN, a few reddit re-posts, and Slashdot, all driving traffic to a github issue. They went from outright refusing to ever doing anything about it to completely bending over in a matter of days. Major corporations with their toes in the open source space are _terrified_ of dev communities turning on them.
- justin66 3y ago
  Microsoft politely changed the name of an Azure thingy that no one in the world cares about because its name conflicted with the name of a GNOME thingy that no one in the world cares about. The analogy with Nvidia's product line is imperfect.
mrguyorama 3y ago
nVidia's entire valuation right now is riding the AI bubble. All you have to do is convince the market that this disagreement might hurt that.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  Doesn't change the fact that everyone and their brother is ordering H100's as fast as humanely possible and going all-in on CUDA. I agree there is a bubble, but the hype train is going to keep riding for some time.
  - sam0x17 3y ago
    One article saying "AMD playing nice with open source, nVidia not, will nVidia continue to be a leader in AI?" and they'll fold
    - blackoil 3y ago
      That's a daydream. NVidia never played nice with OSS. People still use it and are doubling down on CUDA.
    - deleted 3y ago
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lucasyvas 3y ago
The valuation means nothing since Linux is the more important technology by a landslide. One is the foundation of literally everything - and the other is faster at graphics and leading an emerging LLM market. Computers still work without AI - anything else in the short term is pure hype. My MacBook Pro crushes Llama - NVIDIA hardly has an exclusive advantage.

jacquesm 3y ago

There is no way that the Linux people are going to intimidate NVidia. This is just not going to happen, sorry. There won't be a public stink. All that will happen is that Linux will lose market share and that people will stop seeing Linux as a viable alternative because they are documented as picking fights with industry giants they can't possibly hope to win.

lucasyvas 3y ago

There's no time like the present - the Linux maintainers should have told them to fuck off ages ago and they are being punished for Linus' stance now. Linus is right about a lot of things but letting this charade go on for this long was a mistake. "NVIDIA hates everything Linux stands for" would be a hell of a slogan they would have to adopt. And honestly to some people - who gives a shit if they're the market leader in AI chips? There will be someone else that emerges as a competitor that does play nice. What do we lose by telling NVIDIA to piss off? 2, maybe 3 years tops? This is effectively the last chance I see for the two to divorce and be happier in the future. Otherwise they will be locked in a shitty relationship forever.