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Nobody suggested that it was a smooth or easy path to remove yourself as a vassal state of Moscow. But in the long run, the process will likely be worth it. Ru
by cycrutchfield 3y ago
Nobody suggested that it was a smooth or easy path to remove yourself as a vassal state of Moscow. But in the long run, the process will likely be worth it.
Russia is still in a coherent state because they’re just sending all their rural poor, ethnic minorities, and prisoners to die in Ukraine. Once they’ve sacrificed all their undesirables and need to conscript from their major cities, we will see how “non-political” Russians actually are.
- ipaddr 3y agoWho do you think Ukraine is sending? Rural poor. The rich males have fled. Ukraine software developers are working abroad not shooting weapons. The US and Canada do the same. Trying to draw a line is difficult when both groups are on the same side. The rich decide on wars and the poor fight them.
- cycrutchfield 3y agoAh OK. "Both sides same". You should have started your post with "But what about"
- ipaddr 3y agoIn the end they are two sides of the same coin. If you think there are good guys and bad guys and the good guys are always on my side then I will remind you that this isn't a movie. For every action any actor took there is a reason and justification that can be made. Would Trudeau and Freeland be so pro war if Freeland and her sister owned 5 apartment buildings in Russia instead of the Ukraine? Would Biden be so pro war if his sin had dealings with Russia instead of the Ukraine? Find me a pure moral action and I'll raise you two selfish actions.
- cycrutchfield 3y agoTwo sides of the same coin. One side is an imperialist aggressor seeking revanchism. The other side is defending their lands trying to get out from under the boot of Russian subjugation. But sure, same coin.
- ipaddr 3y agoTwo sides. One does not exist without the other. Russia vs NATO. NATO fired first shots trying to extend their reach and Russia is firing back. Ukraine is the coin. You thought it was a movie? Good vs Evil
- _kbh_ 3y ago> Two sides. One does not exist without the other. Russia vs NATO. NATO fired first shots trying to extend their reach and Russia is firing back. Ukraine is the coin. I think this kinda of language takes agency away from countries like Russia, Russia chose to invade and was not forced by anyone, given the rhetoric in some of there now deleted articles I think theres evidence that it was for imperialistic reasons and not because of NATO. After all NATO doesn't appear at all in the now deleted Russian media victory article.
- cycrutchfield 3y agoNATO fired the first shots? Believe me, if NATO was firing anything there would be tanks in the streets of Moscow right now. NATO is winning this war with Russia without sacrificing a single soldier, and by largely using up their stockpiles of Cold War-era hand-me-downs. How humiliating for Russia.
- thriftwy 3y agoI don't believe that imperialistic tanks and infantry vs. freedom loving tanks and infantry are a thing. It's just tanks made out of steel, and infantry recruited (or mobilized) from rural (or rust belt) poor. They work in the same way.
- cycrutchfield 3y agoIf you feel that way, surely you wouldn’t mind me moving into your house, sleeping in your bed, eating your food, etc. After all, there is no right or wrong, everything is grey, and reductionist logic can be applied to deflect from any argument that is inconvenient to one’s simplistic worldviews.
- thriftwy 3y agoSome of the urbanized, well-off guys with that specific inclination volunteer to fight, on both sides. They also end up dead eventually. Of course, they try to find an arrangement to do it on their own terms. Some of even more rich and powerful will participate in some "tik tok batallion" where they're fairly sure they're the last ones to actually risk their lives. But once it ends they will boast their military prowess and use it as social capital. Otherwise, spot on.