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I think parent meant ban all advertising - buses, billboards, TV, etc

thfuran 3y ago
Yes, I mean all advertisement, with exceptions like being able advertise on a business's own premises or upon explicit request like signing up for a newsletter (on purpose, not due to dark pattern fuckery). But no jamming third party advertisements everywhere imaginable or first party advertisement into products that aren't just ads.
- tivert 3y ago
  Honestly, I'd take a slightly different tack: ban all advertising except that which focuses on product features (like a lot of old-timey ads did), and then have strong enforcement of penalties for false advertising. Then limit innovation in delivery to places where it's both not intrusive and already established (e.g. media publications, etc). The manipulation and excessive proliferation has to stop, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a business being able to reach out to tell people about what they're selling. There just needs to be strong regulation to speak for other interests in society.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    >and then have strong enforcement of penalties for false advertising. The legality of puffery is ridiculous.
falcolas 3y ago
I have to be honest, it doesn't change my answer. Advertising is a multi-billion dollar industry who spends millions yearly on figuring out how to manipulate us into buying things we don't need. The average person has no chance against this manipulation. So yes, burn it all to the ground.
- macintux 3y ago
  Banning all advertising would also destroy many small businesses. Interstate billboards are a nuisance, no doubt, but I can’t tell you how many roadside markets, small restaurants, etc I’ve visited while traveling that I’d never have known about otherwise.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    If a business cannot exist without polluting the commons, should it really exist?
    - macintux 3y ago
      A customer base doesn’t spring from the aether.
      - falcolas 3y ago
        That doesn't imply it should be manufactured out of false need though. Companies have proven too irresponsible to let the industry continue.
      - thfuran 3y ago
        So what? Society should be structured for the benefit of the people rather than corporations, which are only useful to the extent that they benefit people. We don't need or want all possible businesses, just the ones that are sufficiently useful without being too harmful.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Funny, billboards have been banned here in Maine for decades, and small businesses do very very well in this tourist driven economy. Meanwhile you cross the border to new hampshire and are immediately pestered with garbage advertising that provides no benefit to your life.
    - macintux 3y ago

Yes, I mean all advertisement, with exceptions like being able advertise on a business's own premises or upon explicit request like signing up for a newsletter (on purpose, not due to dark pattern fuckery). But no jamming third party advertisements everywhere imaginable or first party advertisement into products that aren't just ads.

tivert 3y ago
Honestly, I'd take a slightly different tack: ban all advertising except that which focuses on product features (like a lot of old-timey ads did), and then have strong enforcement of penalties for false advertising. Then limit innovation in delivery to places where it's both not intrusive and already established (e.g. media publications, etc). The manipulation and excessive proliferation has to stop, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a business being able to reach out to tell people about what they're selling. There just needs to be strong regulation to speak for other interests in society.
- thfuran 3y ago
  >and then have strong enforcement of penalties for false advertising. The legality of puffery is ridiculous.

falcolas 3y ago

I have to be honest, it doesn't change my answer. Advertising is a multi-billion dollar industry who spends millions yearly on figuring out how to manipulate us into buying things we don't need. The average person has no chance against this manipulation. So yes, burn it all to the ground.

macintux 3y ago
Banning all advertising would also destroy many small businesses. Interstate billboards are a nuisance, no doubt, but I can’t tell you how many roadside markets, small restaurants, etc I’ve visited while traveling that I’d never have known about otherwise.
- thfuran 3y ago
  If a business cannot exist without polluting the commons, should it really exist?
  - macintux 3y ago
    A customer base doesn’t spring from the aether.
    - falcolas 3y ago
      That doesn't imply it should be manufactured out of false need though. Companies have proven too irresponsible to let the industry continue.
    - thfuran 3y ago
      So what? Society should be structured for the benefit of the people rather than corporations, which are only useful to the extent that they benefit people. We don't need or want all possible businesses, just the ones that are sufficiently useful without being too harmful.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Funny, billboards have been banned here in Maine for decades, and small businesses do very very well in this tourist driven economy. Meanwhile you cross the border to new hampshire and are immediately pestered with garbage advertising that provides no benefit to your life.
  - macintux 3y ago