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The real truth, that Russia loves America, and everything since the end of WWII is just angst
by imdsm 3y ago
The real truth, that Russia loves America, and everything since the end of WWII is just angst
- legacynl 3y ago[flagged]
- StingyJelly 3y ago"Russia loves America" is similiar level of simplification as "post-soviet countries love democracy". In reality, people here don't value democracy as much as they just want German cars, French clothes and American movies and politicians are adapting to the demand.
- dantyti 3y agoI find it difficult to understand whether your second sentence refers to Russia or those 'post-soviet countries'. If it is the latter, I want to note that as a person from a Baltic country I have no doubt that my fellow citizens value self-determination and democracy a lot more than consumer goods.
- thriftwy 3y agoIn that case the question would be whether they valid democracy more than the opportunity to be employed in London or Germany. Of course, it's impossible to tell, since in this case they come bundled, at least until now.
- kranke155 3y agoHow are those two at odds?
- StingyJelly 3y agoThat was a reckless generalization on my part, I meant both. It was my cynical take on the atmosphere in Hungary, Slovakia and Poland as well as (anecdotally) in Russia. Clearly Baltics have made a much bigger progress.
- dfxm12 3y agoCould Barbie have been made (and had the marketing muscle put behind it) anywhere else but America though? Would Givenchy have grown to the brand that it is in a France that wasn't democratic? You can say or even think you don't like America, but what does that really mean when you seek out things that have thrived because of it?
- helsinkiandrew 3y ago> The real truth, that Russia loves America I think its "Russians love American popular culture"
- pjc50 3y agoTrue for a very long time. People would smuggle Levi's into the USSR. I think Americans underestimate sometimes just how much America benefits from its cultural exports which people love.
- dieiek 3y ago[flagged]
- renegade-otter 3y agoThe meaning of "Russian soul" is secretly adoring and mimicking the West (for centuries), while overtly threatening to burn it to the ground. The wives and progeny of some of the most ardent haters live in Europe and give birth in the United States for American citizenship. Case in point: https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/1116eh0/solovyovs_son_daniel_lives_in_london_and_shows/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/1116e...
- ativzzz 3y ago> "Russian soul" is secretly adoring and mimicking the West Pretty sure it's not secret at all. St Petersburg founded in the 1700s (and then made the capital of Tsarist Russia) was literally an attempt to westernize Russia. I think the "Russian soul" is more of an inner conflict between the desire to live a Western life while under the heavy influence of non-Western traditions and culture
- renegade-otter 3y agoI am not sure what "non-Western culture" means in this context. The only culture I see is the culture of cruelty and sadism.
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoIt's not clear what "western culture" really means, other than as a demagogic slogan (used by either side). There are "western" cultureS, plural. Many traditions. And that's the precise strength.
- ativzzz 3y agoWestern in the early 18th century referred generally to the cultural reaction of (mostly Western) Europe to the enlightenment that was happening at the time. Russia did not have that movement, so Peter the Great attempted to "Westernize" by bringing some of the ideas into Russia via St. Petersburg, while still maintaining the traditional non-Western Russian Tsarism (I don't know of a better word than non-Western because Eastern doesn't really correspond to a broad culture similar to Westernism as thought of in Western Europe) This is the internal conflict of the "Russian soul"