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This is not new at all, there are US companies facilitating this (see: Tinder e.g) with zero regard for the lives of the people forced into doing this. They ac

This is not new at all, there are US companies facilitating this (see: Tinder e.g) with zero regard for the lives of the people forced into doing this. They actively ignore these things and profit off it, absolutely disgusting.

naillo 3y ago
What is tinder doing to facilitate this? I assumed bots on there were just financial scam bots not of the trafficking kind
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  "bots" don't run on their own. While the initial message might be from a bot, leads need to then be coached into falling for the scam which involves human labor and can very well be such enslaved victims trapped in third-world countries.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    As soon as sam altman hears about this he will make a proposal about replacing scam humans with ai. Which in itself is better than trafficking humans i suppose.
    - throwaway67743 3y ago
      AI can't feel suffering, after all.
      - gumballindie 3y ago
        Indeed. It's usually those around it that feel it.
        throwaway67743 3y ago
        ai is literally the human equivalent of a sociopath and/or narcissist, it's devoid of human emotion
    - sp332 3y ago
      Training AI also requires lots of human labor. https://gizmodo.com/openai-chatgpt-ai-chat-bot-1850001021 https://gizmodo.com/openai-chatgpt-ai-chat-bot-1850001021
  - throwaway67743 3y ago
    Correct, I did some research into this, while the initial match is automated, you're connected with someone likely under duress, Tinder/Match do not care about this at all (in my present country its 80%+ profiles that are evidently human trafficking and extortion). After asking what they intend to do about the horrific rights violations they're profiting off, they said, "we don't care" literally. There is also the collateral, the profiles/photos they steal are of real people, which may or may not end up in real life ramifications for them. It used to be entirely generic Asians (Orient, not SE, as they're more attractive to the west apparently) - but these days they've upped the game and use region specific photos (ie; in my case, Slavic origin)
- popularonion 3y ago
  Tinder has become totally swarmed with these kind of scammers. It’s way worse than it was a few years ago. It’s becoming basically unusable unless you communicate with photo verified users only, but I’m sure a lot of photo verified accounts are run by these scammers too.
  - throwaway67743 3y ago
    Yup, the verification works against regular users and in favour of automation. But that's a good business model for them, without impossibly attractive potential matches nobody would pay for anything, so they have no financial desire to stop it.
logicchains 3y ago
LinkedIn and various job boards have much more responsibility than Tinder; most of the victims described in the article travel to SEA for what they've been led to believe are high-paying white-collar jobs, not because they're romance-scammed into going to meet a partner there.
- throwaway67743 3y ago
  LinkedIn has a much lower hit rate, because people tend to search for region specific jobs, whereas Tinder you can send any location you desire with your fake profile (but they're very easy to spot). The Tinder things are very rarely romance scams, they pivot to crypto scams immediately, "I work in the finance industry scoping out markets for crypto" etc - then I'd imagine they'd encourage someone to invest but they usually see through my attempts at scamming them back, one day I'll figure it out.
  - lacrimacida 3y ago
    LinkedIn was used in a lot of scams with fake jobs.
    - throwaway67743 3y ago
      Sure, but the hit rate is still much lower.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  LinkedIn isn't common in ASEAN. It's a uniquely North American phenomenon (194m Americans), though there is some traction in India (94m), Brazil (60m), and China (57m). Most users offered the jobs are getting them via everything apps like WeChat, Zalo, WhatsApp forwards, Viber, Line, etc.
  - throwaway67743 3y ago
    This is an accurate assessment, on the other hand things like tinder actually have more reach in Asia mostly due to cultural differences.
troglotit 3y ago
Tinder slave-labour is used also for assembling drones in Russia that attack Ukraine. Source (RU): https://istories.media/news/2023/07/24/studenti-dolzhni-stradat-v-tatarstanskom-kolledzhe-alabuga-studentov-massovo-privlekayut-k-sborke-dronov-shakhed-i-nakazivayut-za-otkaz-ot-raboti/ https://istories.media/news/2023/07/24/studenti-dolzhni-stra...

naillo 3y ago

What is tinder doing to facilitate this? I assumed bots on there were just financial scam bots not of the trafficking kind

Nextgrid 3y ago
"bots" don't run on their own. While the initial message might be from a bot, leads need to then be coached into falling for the scam which involves human labor and can very well be such enslaved victims trapped in third-world countries.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  As soon as sam altman hears about this he will make a proposal about replacing scam humans with ai. Which in itself is better than trafficking humans i suppose.
  - throwaway67743 3y ago
    AI can't feel suffering, after all.
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      Indeed. It's usually those around it that feel it.
      - throwaway67743 3y ago
        ai is literally the human equivalent of a sociopath and/or narcissist, it's devoid of human emotion
  - sp332 3y ago
    Training AI also requires lots of human labor. https://gizmodo.com/openai-chatgpt-ai-chat-bot-1850001021 https://gizmodo.com/openai-chatgpt-ai-chat-bot-1850001021
- throwaway67743 3y ago
  Correct, I did some research into this, while the initial match is automated, you're connected with someone likely under duress, Tinder/Match do not care about this at all (in my present country its 80%+ profiles that are evidently human trafficking and extortion). After asking what they intend to do about the horrific rights violations they're profiting off, they said, "we don't care" literally. There is also the collateral, the profiles/photos they steal are of real people, which may or may not end up in real life ramifications for them. It used to be entirely generic Asians (Orient, not SE, as they're more attractive to the west apparently) - but these days they've upped the game and use region specific photos (ie; in my case, Slavic origin)
popularonion 3y ago
Tinder has become totally swarmed with these kind of scammers. It’s way worse than it was a few years ago. It’s becoming basically unusable unless you communicate with photo verified users only, but I’m sure a lot of photo verified accounts are run by these scammers too.
- throwaway67743 3y ago
  Yup, the verification works against regular users and in favour of automation. But that's a good business model for them, without impossibly attractive potential matches nobody would pay for anything, so they have no financial desire to stop it.

logicchains 3y ago

LinkedIn and various job boards have much more responsibility than Tinder; most of the victims described in the article travel to SEA for what they've been led to believe are high-paying white-collar jobs, not because they're romance-scammed into going to meet a partner there.

throwaway67743 3y ago
LinkedIn has a much lower hit rate, because people tend to search for region specific jobs, whereas Tinder you can send any location you desire with your fake profile (but they're very easy to spot). The Tinder things are very rarely romance scams, they pivot to crypto scams immediately, "I work in the finance industry scoping out markets for crypto" etc - then I'd imagine they'd encourage someone to invest but they usually see through my attempts at scamming them back, one day I'll figure it out.
- lacrimacida 3y ago
  LinkedIn was used in a lot of scams with fake jobs.
  - throwaway67743 3y ago
    Sure, but the hit rate is still much lower.
alephnerd 3y ago
LinkedIn isn't common in ASEAN. It's a uniquely North American phenomenon (194m Americans), though there is some traction in India (94m), Brazil (60m), and China (57m). Most users offered the jobs are getting them via everything apps like WeChat, Zalo, WhatsApp forwards, Viber, Line, etc.
- throwaway67743 3y ago
  This is an accurate assessment, on the other hand things like tinder actually have more reach in Asia mostly due to cultural differences.

troglotit 3y ago

Tinder slave-labour is used also for assembling drones in Russia that attack Ukraine. Source (RU): https://istories.media/news/2023/07/24/studenti-dolzhni-stradat-v-tatarstanskom-kolledzhe-alabuga-studentov-massovo-privlekayut-k-sborke-dronov-shakhed-i-nakazivayut-za-otkaz-ot-raboti/ https://istories.media/news/2023/07/24/studenti-dolzhni-stra...