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1,609 scientists have signed a petition saying there is no climate emergency

5 points by Phileosopher 3y ago

myshpa 3y ago
Experts Debunk Viral Post Claiming 1,100 Scientists Say ‘There’s No Climate Emergency’ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/23082022/experts-debunk-viral-post-claiming-1100-scientists-say-theres-no-climate-emergency/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/23082022/experts-debunk-v... “It’s irrelevant to the actual conversation that is taking place today about the climate crisis,” Mann told me in an email. “Republicans might try to prop up this latest desperate gambit. But the conversation has moved on, and this is really just a distraction and a sideshow.”
- uberman 3y ago
  Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guus_Berkhout https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guus_Berkhout
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  Michael Mann is the most conflicted person you could possibly find on this issue. He's one of the climatologists the 1,609 signatories are publicly disagreeing with. He's also the "expert" whose famous hockey stick paper got very publicly and embarrassingly debunked by internet randos, who he then sued specifically to engage in nothing more than legal harassment. After years of dragging out the cases by refusing to file paperwork they all got dropped because the defendents mounted a truth defense, and Mann couldn't/wouldn't actually follow through his dispute with them. IPCC meanwhile quietly shelved his claims. It's telling that Mann resorts immediately to partisan ideological warfare (anyone who disagrees with me is a republican!) That shit obviously works in climatology, but it isn't science.
  - Phileosopher 3y ago
    Honest question: are there any aspects of climate science that aren't political these days? I'd certainly love to see climate discussions that openly talk about facts, but it always seems to wind down to the Horrific Apocalypse Mitigators vs. the Crusaders Against Government Overreach.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      Don't look up! Go read a book instead.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    Denying anthropogenic climate change and overshoot is akin to believing that the Earth is flat, that it's only 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs are a hoax, or that the theory of evolution is false. There are a lot of ignorants out there, and some even succeed in politics. https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/10/more-999-studies-agree-humans-caused-climate-change https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/10/more-999-studies-ag... More than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree that climate change is mainly caused by humans, according to a new survey of 88,125 climate-related studies. From the article: “Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, a longtime research scientist at Berkeley Earth, a non-partisan nonprofit that specializes in analyzing climate data, and the former director of climate and energy programs at the Breakthrough Institute, another independent environmental research firm. https://skepticalscience.com/ https://skepticalscience.com/
    - Phileosopher 3y ago
      You have the right to believe in the climatologists' consensus, but I'm not convinced. I still haven't heard any sensible answers to the common-sense claims I've heard about how water is a better indicator of climate change than carbon. Lies become consensus proportionally to their political advantage, and the fact that climate science defines sweeping portions of government policy leaves me estimating that the fudge rate is above standard acceptable parameters. Consensus is about the most anti-scientific disposition possible, by my estimation, and I'd like to hear discussions from a more diverse range of viewpoints than the stock-standard atheist humanist materialist naturalist POV that colleges tend to churn out.
      - myshpa 3y ago
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    - nvm0n2 3y ago
      No it isn't. It's more akin to denying phrenology, phlogiston, leeches or almost anything that psychology has claimed in the past 20 years. Bad science is everywhere and has always existed throughout history. You can't just pick some random bits of science that are agreed to be not bad and state that they're the same: they aren't. > More than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree According to the same people who literally put in writing that they would "redefine the peer reviewed literature if we have to" to stop disagreement getting published. Please. Nobody who wants to know what's true gives a shit about what's said in the forums the academics under fire themselves control, that's obviously stupid. “Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, Are you aware you're citing a known climate change denier who agrees with the signatories that there's no climate emergency? https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533875297220587520 https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533875297220587520 It's a bit eye opening how many time I, a climate scientist, have been called a denier in the last 24 hours for having the temerity to say our children are not necessarily consigned to an apocalyptic hellscape of a future. Doomism is a disease, and a self-fulfilling prophesy. which is in response to the lashing he got for this: https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533480022559772673 https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533480022559772673 “I unequivocally reject, scientifically and personally, the notion that children are somehow doomed to an unhappy life”. Even Hausfather knows that, but other people say the same thing suddenly he's upset that they're just a bunch of Nobel Prize winning physicists, cofounders of Greenpeace, professors of atmospheric physics, climate researchers, meteorologists, experts on rainfall and flooding, earth scientists and ugh engineers.
yourmatenate 3y ago
Does this one include Dr. Halliwell of the Spice Girls as one of the scientists? https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19980501&slug=2748308 https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19980501&slug... This new one seems to have about as much credibility as past petitions by so called 'Scientists'.

5 points by Phileosopher 3y ago

Experts Debunk Viral Post Claiming 1,100 Scientists Say ‘There’s No Climate Emergency’ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/23082022/experts-debunk-viral-post-claiming-1100-scientists-say-theres-no-climate-emergency/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/23082022/experts-debunk-v... “It’s irrelevant to the actual conversation that is taking place today about the climate crisis,” Mann told me in an email. “Republicans might try to prop up this latest desperate gambit. But the conversation has moved on, and this is really just a distraction and a sideshow.”

uberman 3y ago
Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guus_Berkhout https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guus_Berkhout
nvm0n2 3y ago
Michael Mann is the most conflicted person you could possibly find on this issue. He's one of the climatologists the 1,609 signatories are publicly disagreeing with. He's also the "expert" whose famous hockey stick paper got very publicly and embarrassingly debunked by internet randos, who he then sued specifically to engage in nothing more than legal harassment. After years of dragging out the cases by refusing to file paperwork they all got dropped because the defendents mounted a truth defense, and Mann couldn't/wouldn't actually follow through his dispute with them. IPCC meanwhile quietly shelved his claims. It's telling that Mann resorts immediately to partisan ideological warfare (anyone who disagrees with me is a republican!) That shit obviously works in climatology, but it isn't science.
- Phileosopher 3y ago
  Honest question: are there any aspects of climate science that aren't political these days? I'd certainly love to see climate discussions that openly talk about facts, but it always seems to wind down to the Horrific Apocalypse Mitigators vs. the Crusaders Against Government Overreach.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    Don't look up! Go read a book instead.
- myshpa 3y ago
  Denying anthropogenic climate change and overshoot is akin to believing that the Earth is flat, that it's only 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs are a hoax, or that the theory of evolution is false. There are a lot of ignorants out there, and some even succeed in politics. https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/10/more-999-studies-agree-humans-caused-climate-change https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/10/more-999-studies-ag... More than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree that climate change is mainly caused by humans, according to a new survey of 88,125 climate-related studies. From the article: “Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, a longtime research scientist at Berkeley Earth, a non-partisan nonprofit that specializes in analyzing climate data, and the former director of climate and energy programs at the Breakthrough Institute, another independent environmental research firm. https://skepticalscience.com/ https://skepticalscience.com/
  - Phileosopher 3y ago
    You have the right to believe in the climatologists' consensus, but I'm not convinced. I still haven't heard any sensible answers to the common-sense claims I've heard about how water is a better indicator of climate change than carbon. Lies become consensus proportionally to their political advantage, and the fact that climate science defines sweeping portions of government policy leaves me estimating that the fudge rate is above standard acceptable parameters. Consensus is about the most anti-scientific disposition possible, by my estimation, and I'd like to hear discussions from a more diverse range of viewpoints than the stock-standard atheist humanist materialist naturalist POV that colleges tend to churn out.
    - myshpa 3y ago
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  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    No it isn't. It's more akin to denying phrenology, phlogiston, leeches or almost anything that psychology has claimed in the past 20 years. Bad science is everywhere and has always existed throughout history. You can't just pick some random bits of science that are agreed to be not bad and state that they're the same: they aren't. > More than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree According to the same people who literally put in writing that they would "redefine the peer reviewed literature if we have to" to stop disagreement getting published. Please. Nobody who wants to know what's true gives a shit about what's said in the forums the academics under fire themselves control, that's obviously stupid. “Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,” said Zeke Hausfather, Are you aware you're citing a known climate change denier who agrees with the signatories that there's no climate emergency? https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533875297220587520 https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533875297220587520 It's a bit eye opening how many time I, a climate scientist, have been called a denier in the last 24 hours for having the temerity to say our children are not necessarily consigned to an apocalyptic hellscape of a future. Doomism is a disease, and a self-fulfilling prophesy. which is in response to the lashing he got for this: https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533480022559772673 https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1533480022559772673 “I unequivocally reject, scientifically and personally, the notion that children are somehow doomed to an unhappy life”. Even Hausfather knows that, but other people say the same thing suddenly he's upset that they're just a bunch of Nobel Prize winning physicists, cofounders of Greenpeace, professors of atmospheric physics, climate researchers, meteorologists, experts on rainfall and flooding, earth scientists and ugh engineers.

yourmatenate 3y ago

Does this one include Dr. Halliwell of the Spice Girls as one of the scientists? https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19980501&slug=2748308 https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19980501&slug... This new one seems to have about as much credibility as past petitions by so called 'Scientists'.