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> Really setting aside the divisive political positions that have poisoned the debate in the US yeah but if you believe lab leak then you are probably also an

by ftxbro 3y ago

> Really setting aside the divisive political positions that have poisoned the debate in the US yeah but if you believe lab leak then you are probably also an anti-fauci anti-vax anti-masker qanon trumper who gets all your news from tucker carlson and laura ingraham

postalrat 3y ago
And if you believe that then you've been brainwashed into ignoring inconvenient truths.
stringsandchars 3y ago
> yeah but if you believe lab leak then you are probably also an anti-fauci anti-vax anti-masker qanon trumper who gets all your news from tucker carlson and Laura ingraham I can't tell whether this is sarcasm? I don't even know who Laura Ingraham is and though I've heard of Tucker Carlson I've never seen or read anything he's written or said (on TV?). I'd characterize myself as a normal, left-wing European who initially totally believed the zoonosis origin of covid. But being genuinely curious about the science, I've read more and more of the abstracts analising the available data, and gradually realized that all the actual facts - even though some of them circumstantial - point with much higher likelihood towards an accidental lab-leak (which incidentally happen all the time), than the very unlikely 'double jump' of two separate lineages infecting people at the market - but not infecting anyone else in the entire delivery chain from capture or animal farming, to the market itself.
calmlynarczyk 3y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
claytongulick 3y ago
That's a really funny comment, but is also kind of a gut-punch. So many people have their entire world view and sense of self tied up in political narratives (left or right) that they are actually unable to objectively explore a subject. Much easier to just downvote the "others" because they are obviously wrong. Because if they aren't wrong - maybe, just maybe - the ideological shield we use to cope with the world would start showing cracks.

by ftxbro 3y ago

postalrat 3y ago

And if you believe that then you've been brainwashed into ignoring inconvenient truths.

stringsandchars 3y ago

> yeah but if you believe lab leak then you are probably also an anti-fauci anti-vax anti-masker qanon trumper who gets all your news from tucker carlson and Laura ingraham I can't tell whether this is sarcasm? I don't even know who Laura Ingraham is and though I've heard of Tucker Carlson I've never seen or read anything he's written or said (on TV?). I'd characterize myself as a normal, left-wing European who initially totally believed the zoonosis origin of covid. But being genuinely curious about the science, I've read more and more of the abstracts analising the available data, and gradually realized that all the actual facts - even though some of them circumstantial - point with much higher likelihood towards an accidental lab-leak (which incidentally happen all the time), than the very unlikely 'double jump' of two separate lineages infecting people at the market - but not infecting anyone else in the entire delivery chain from capture or animal farming, to the market itself.

calmlynarczyk 3y ago

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

claytongulick 3y ago

That's a really funny comment, but is also kind of a gut-punch. So many people have their entire world view and sense of self tied up in political narratives (left or right) that they are actually unable to objectively explore a subject. Much easier to just downvote the "others" because they are obviously wrong. Because if they aren't wrong - maybe, just maybe - the ideological shield we use to cope with the world would start showing cracks.