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RedHat's $1m stock is his only big payout, apparently. Rather sad, considering the number of mid-level facebook engineers who will become many times as rich in

RedHat's $1m stock is his only big payout, apparently. Rather sad, considering the number of mid-level facebook engineers who will become many times as rich in a few months.

MatthewPhillips 15y ago
Which of those will be remembered in 200 years. Wanna be the richest guy in the graveyard?
- 16s 15y ago
  I'd be happy to be that guy ;)
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- icandoitbetter 15y ago
  Being the famous guy in the graveyard isn't particularly appealing either.
  - zerostar07 15y ago
    Millions of tourists who pay tributes to graves and memorials would disagree
    - kamaal 15y ago
      None of that would matter for the 'dead guy' in the graveyard. What matters is your experiences when your alive. What matters more? The rich guy gets a more comfortable coffin too!
      - ttt_ 15y ago
        >> None of that would matter for the 'dead guy' in the graveyard. That's up for the 'dead guy' and his beliefs to consider.
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- walexander 15y ago
  "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.
- rmc 15y ago
  "The man who dies rich, dies disgraced" Andrew Carnegie
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comice 15y ago
as always though, what would more money actually buy him? Early retirement from something he seems to love doing?
- ecaradec 15y ago
  I agree but it's still a bit sad to see such a giant gap between the value he brought to the world and the value he retired from it.
  - InclinedPlane 15y ago
    Why? It's his choice. He could easily have cashed in to the tune of millions per year. Through public speaking, endorsement deals, etc. He chose not to. His choice, his reasons.
    - ciupicri 15y ago
      Yeah, but why promote some crap in which he might not believe?
  - Newky 15y ago
    He seems ultimately very comfortable with the way he is living, feel free to prove me wrong but I do not remember seeing any point where he expresses a desire for more money. I think this community as a whole at times, sees the end goal of money too much as the incentive and can often forget that it is mostly about keeping your head above water, and if doing so you manage to be happy doing what you are doing then that is a massive advantage. Luckily for the vast majority of us who work in tech, our jobs could equally be said to be our hobbies, I frequently come home from a day of programming to start into a side project. I would much rather work on the wage I'm currently earning, than earn twice as much working in a different field where I cannot wait for the weekend and every morning seems like a struggle.
  - yitchelle 15y ago
    The gap is quite apparent in many of the tech pioneers life. For example, the late Dennis Ritchie was a pioneer for many, many technologies that I, and many other engineers, used on a daily basis for generating income. This gap for Dennis is enormous!
noonespecial 15y ago
It would be a tragedy if he had to spend his time managing a bunch of money he can't take with him anyway instead of doing what he loves and benefiting us all. It would be as big a waste as if he was broke and had to flip burgers to make ends meet. This is a rare case where reality seems to actually be optimized for all involved. We, the collective we, have done exceptionally well in this deal, and Linus probably has as well.
- oz 15y ago
  I, for one, would welcome such a tragedy.
  - noonespecial 15y ago
    Of course you would. So would I. That's why he wrote the kernel and we... didn't.
- creamyhorror 15y ago
  You make it sound like such an onerous task to manage tens of millions of dollars. Sure he might feel the need to spend some time on it - but he might just as likely leave it to an investment manager or put it in an index fund. Or even invest some of it in a startup or two.
- rmc 15y ago
  You only need to spend time managing money if you want to make the most of it. If you plonk €Xmillion in a bank account getting 2% interest per year, you can forget about it and you and your family can live quite happily.
  - iwwr 15y ago
    Rarely would you get higher than inflation returns from just parking money in a bank. In reality it just gets eroded away.
    - creamyhorror 15y ago
why-el 15y ago
Where does this put Stallman?
- femto 15y ago
  Stallmann got a MacArthur Fellowship, worth USD240,000 in 1990 [1], and a Grace Murray Hopper Award and a Yuri Rubinsky Memorial Award, which had some money attached. Torvalds and Stallmann also had a share of a 100 million yen prize in 2001. It's not quite in the Zuckerberg league, but it at least means he shouldn't have to worry about where the next meal is coming from. [1] http://tech.mit.edu/V110/N30/rms.30n.html http://tech.mit.edu/V110/N30/rms.30n.html
  - sk5t 15y ago
    Really? If all I had realized over 22 years was ~US$1.24MM, with nothing else in the pipeline, I'd be seriously concerned about my financial well-being.
    - kaens 15y ago
      Seriously? That's well above many people who are perfectly comfortable with their financial status and do not feel it to be a burden on their lives. I suppose it's a subjective thing, but it strikes me as a bit much.
    - RyanMcGreal 15y ago
      It works out to $56K a year, which is significantly above the American median household income. This also assumes Stallman didn't have any other sources of income or income-equivalent over that period.
zerostar07 15y ago
You don't (and won't) even know their names How in god's name can the guy who (corrected) had linux named after him ever feel sad?
- derleth 15y ago
  > How in god's name can the guy who named linux after himself ever feel sad? He didn't want to; Torvalds named it "Freax", as he says here: > Honest I didn't want to ever release it under the name Linux because it was too egotistical. What was the name I reserved for any eventual release? Freax. (Get it? Freaks with the requisite X.) In fact, some of the early make files --the files that describe how to compile the sources-- included the word "Freax" for about half a year. But it really didn't matter. At that point I didn't need a name for it because I wasn't releasing it to anybody. > And Ari Lemke, who insured that it made its way to the ftp site, hated the name Freax. He preferred the other working name I admit that I didn't put up much of a fight. But it was his doing. So I can honestly say I wasn't egotistical, or half-honestly say I wasn't egotistical. But I thought okay, that's a good name, and I can always blame somebody else for it, which I'm doing now. > -- Linus Torvalds p84 and p88 "Just for fun"
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philip1209 15y ago
I'm surprised Google hasn't tried to hire him. They hired the inventor of Python, and it would seem up their alley to hire Linus.
- sho_hn 15y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I think Linus has carefully avoided working for anyone who might be seen to have a less than neutral stake in Linux. He used to work at Transmeta, a CPU maker, and his first and only Linux-specific employment is at the non-profit Linux Foundation. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised if Google understands this well and hasn't tried to hire him because it makes sense for Linus to be employed by a neutral party.
  - cdibona 15y ago
    Let me assure you that Linus knows full well he has an open offer at Google or any of a dozen companies.
    - comice 15y ago
      he probably knows that no matter how hard you try, once you're employed by these big companies (or any company really) your values are compromised. Even just a little bit. Usually unconsciously. And you're under their control. Even just a little bit. Both consciously and unconsciously :) I do not exclude myself from this observation of course!
mountaineer 15y ago
A 6000 sq ft house in LO, the most affluent city in Oregon, would run a couple million dollars probably. Throw in the Mercedes and I think he's carved some money out over the years.
- sk5t 15y ago
  I will posit that nobody any significant distance from the west coast knows what "LO" is meant to signify. A little research suggests Lake Oswego, but really...
  - RyanMcGreal 15y ago
    FTFA: > He lives with his wife Tove, three kids, a cat, a dog, a snake, a goldfish, a bunny and a pet rat in a comfortable 6,000 square foot home just north of Portland’s tony Lake Oswego neighborhood.
  - usaar333 15y ago
    > I will posit that nobody any significant distance from Portland knows what "LO" is meant to signify. FIFY
  - mountaineer 15y ago
    Whoops, it mentioned Lake Oswego in the article, so I thought it would be in context, I'll be clearer in the future.
Killah911 15y ago
You're able to control very little about the world and the way things turn out. Many people win the lottery. Heck, what's the point of doing a startup if you were just born into tons of money if money's the final goal? Richest guy in the graveyard or "remembered" guy in the graveyard, YOU'RE STILL IN THE GRAVEYARD. You can either be miserable your whole life and then some, by always thinking about how you're perceived, or you can easily be content and even be OK with dying knowing you did your best at every step and not "regretting" decisions. The outward "success" doesn't really mean crap (IMHO). Sure, million bucks is nice, sure recognition is nice, but being true to your passions and being the best you... now that to me is success. It really is in the journey, not the destination, and is hardly something people who aren't extremely close to you would know about. (To those of you who've already guessed, Viktor Frankl's heavily influenced my views here, so props to him!) "Steve Jobs dated stars..." part was total crap. The only thing I've ever found in that kind of "success" is emptiness. Give me a hard problem, and let me have a crack at it... I only fail, if I give up out of fear of what I perceive as "ultimate failure" of not being able to solve the problem. The biggest fail in this article to me was how he's supposedly a dad of three and that part barely gets a mention beyond his license plate. I'm a dad of 3, and it's hard as hell trying to keep up with everything & I love it! I was looking forward to see how Linus does it, and apparently it's by having an interesting license plate... (link bait)
- rada 15y ago
  To your last point, something I thought interesting: the kernel _reboot() system accepts his daughters birthdays as magic values. http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/reboot.h;h=e0879a70e830e29847cc9ba9b9f4d6851d8e3c4d http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6...
yason 15y ago
I think that the only reason you actually want lots of money is that you can do what you desire and not have to worry about spending time to actually make a living. Torvalds at least has that covered.
- ma2rten 15y ago
  The other reason is so that you can buy expensive stuff to impress your peers, but Linus found another way to impress his peers as well.
  - itmag 15y ago
    The third reason is so you can change the world.
    - slowpoke 15y ago
      Linus didn't and doesn't need money to change the world. He already did, and continues to do so.

RedHat's $1m stock is his only big payout, apparently. Rather sad, considering the number of mid-level facebook engineers who will become many times as rich in a few months.

MatthewPhillips 15y ago

Which of those will be remembered in 200 years. Wanna be the richest guy in the graveyard?

16s 15y ago
I'd be happy to be that guy ;)
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icandoitbetter 15y ago
Being the famous guy in the graveyard isn't particularly appealing either.
- zerostar07 15y ago
  Millions of tourists who pay tributes to graves and memorials would disagree
  - kamaal 15y ago
    None of that would matter for the 'dead guy' in the graveyard. What matters is your experiences when your alive. What matters more? The rich guy gets a more comfortable coffin too!
    - ttt_ 15y ago
      >> None of that would matter for the 'dead guy' in the graveyard. That's up for the 'dead guy' and his beliefs to consider.
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walexander 15y ago
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.
rmc 15y ago
"The man who dies rich, dies disgraced" Andrew Carnegie

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comice 15y ago

as always though, what would more money actually buy him? Early retirement from something he seems to love doing?

ecaradec 15y ago
I agree but it's still a bit sad to see such a giant gap between the value he brought to the world and the value he retired from it.
- InclinedPlane 15y ago
  Why? It's his choice. He could easily have cashed in to the tune of millions per year. Through public speaking, endorsement deals, etc. He chose not to. His choice, his reasons.
  - ciupicri 15y ago
    Yeah, but why promote some crap in which he might not believe?
- Newky 15y ago
  He seems ultimately very comfortable with the way he is living, feel free to prove me wrong but I do not remember seeing any point where he expresses a desire for more money. I think this community as a whole at times, sees the end goal of money too much as the incentive and can often forget that it is mostly about keeping your head above water, and if doing so you manage to be happy doing what you are doing then that is a massive advantage. Luckily for the vast majority of us who work in tech, our jobs could equally be said to be our hobbies, I frequently come home from a day of programming to start into a side project. I would much rather work on the wage I'm currently earning, than earn twice as much working in a different field where I cannot wait for the weekend and every morning seems like a struggle.
- yitchelle 15y ago
  The gap is quite apparent in many of the tech pioneers life. For example, the late Dennis Ritchie was a pioneer for many, many technologies that I, and many other engineers, used on a daily basis for generating income. This gap for Dennis is enormous!

noonespecial 15y ago

It would be a tragedy if he had to spend his time managing a bunch of money he can't take with him anyway instead of doing what he loves and benefiting us all. It would be as big a waste as if he was broke and had to flip burgers to make ends meet. This is a rare case where reality seems to actually be optimized for all involved. We, the collective we, have done exceptionally well in this deal, and Linus probably has as well.

oz 15y ago
I, for one, would welcome such a tragedy.
- noonespecial 15y ago
  Of course you would. So would I. That's why he wrote the kernel and we... didn't.
creamyhorror 15y ago
You make it sound like such an onerous task to manage tens of millions of dollars. Sure he might feel the need to spend some time on it - but he might just as likely leave it to an investment manager or put it in an index fund. Or even invest some of it in a startup or two.
rmc 15y ago
You only need to spend time managing money if you want to make the most of it. If you plonk €Xmillion in a bank account getting 2% interest per year, you can forget about it and you and your family can live quite happily.
- iwwr 15y ago
  Rarely would you get higher than inflation returns from just parking money in a bank. In reality it just gets eroded away.
  - creamyhorror 15y ago

why-el 15y ago

Where does this put Stallman?

femto 15y ago
Stallmann got a MacArthur Fellowship, worth USD240,000 in 1990 [1], and a Grace Murray Hopper Award and a Yuri Rubinsky Memorial Award, which had some money attached. Torvalds and Stallmann also had a share of a 100 million yen prize in 2001. It's not quite in the Zuckerberg league, but it at least means he shouldn't have to worry about where the next meal is coming from. [1] http://tech.mit.edu/V110/N30/rms.30n.html http://tech.mit.edu/V110/N30/rms.30n.html
- sk5t 15y ago
  Really? If all I had realized over 22 years was ~US$1.24MM, with nothing else in the pipeline, I'd be seriously concerned about my financial well-being.
  - kaens 15y ago
    Seriously? That's well above many people who are perfectly comfortable with their financial status and do not feel it to be a burden on their lives. I suppose it's a subjective thing, but it strikes me as a bit much.
  - RyanMcGreal 15y ago
    It works out to $56K a year, which is significantly above the American median household income. This also assumes Stallman didn't have any other sources of income or income-equivalent over that period.

zerostar07 15y ago

You don't (and won't) even know their names How in god's name can the guy who (corrected) had linux named after him ever feel sad?

derleth 15y ago
> How in god's name can the guy who named linux after himself ever feel sad? He didn't want to; Torvalds named it "Freax", as he says here: > Honest I didn't want to ever release it under the name Linux because it was too egotistical. What was the name I reserved for any eventual release? Freax. (Get it? Freaks with the requisite X.) In fact, some of the early make files --the files that describe how to compile the sources-- included the word "Freax" for about half a year. But it really didn't matter. At that point I didn't need a name for it because I wasn't releasing it to anybody. > And Ari Lemke, who insured that it made its way to the ftp site, hated the name Freax. He preferred the other working name I admit that I didn't put up much of a fight. But it was his doing. So I can honestly say I wasn't egotistical, or half-honestly say I wasn't egotistical. But I thought okay, that's a good name, and I can always blame somebody else for it, which I'm doing now. > -- Linus Torvalds p84 and p88 "Just for fun"
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philip1209 15y ago

I'm surprised Google hasn't tried to hire him. They hired the inventor of Python, and it would seem up their alley to hire Linus.

sho_hn 15y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I think Linus has carefully avoided working for anyone who might be seen to have a less than neutral stake in Linux. He used to work at Transmeta, a CPU maker, and his first and only Linux-specific employment is at the non-profit Linux Foundation. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised if Google understands this well and hasn't tried to hire him because it makes sense for Linus to be employed by a neutral party.
- cdibona 15y ago
  Let me assure you that Linus knows full well he has an open offer at Google or any of a dozen companies.
  - comice 15y ago
    he probably knows that no matter how hard you try, once you're employed by these big companies (or any company really) your values are compromised. Even just a little bit. Usually unconsciously. And you're under their control. Even just a little bit. Both consciously and unconsciously :) I do not exclude myself from this observation of course!

mountaineer 15y ago

A 6000 sq ft house in LO, the most affluent city in Oregon, would run a couple million dollars probably. Throw in the Mercedes and I think he's carved some money out over the years.

sk5t 15y ago
I will posit that nobody any significant distance from the west coast knows what "LO" is meant to signify. A little research suggests Lake Oswego, but really...
- RyanMcGreal 15y ago
  FTFA: > He lives with his wife Tove, three kids, a cat, a dog, a snake, a goldfish, a bunny and a pet rat in a comfortable 6,000 square foot home just north of Portland’s tony Lake Oswego neighborhood.
- usaar333 15y ago
  > I will posit that nobody any significant distance from Portland knows what "LO" is meant to signify. FIFY
- mountaineer 15y ago
  Whoops, it mentioned Lake Oswego in the article, so I thought it would be in context, I'll be clearer in the future.

Killah911 15y ago

You're able to control very little about the world and the way things turn out. Many people win the lottery. Heck, what's the point of doing a startup if you were just born into tons of money if money's the final goal? Richest guy in the graveyard or "remembered" guy in the graveyard, YOU'RE STILL IN THE GRAVEYARD. You can either be miserable your whole life and then some, by always thinking about how you're perceived, or you can easily be content and even be OK with dying knowing you did your best at every step and not "regretting" decisions. The outward "success" doesn't really mean crap (IMHO). Sure, million bucks is nice, sure recognition is nice, but being true to your passions and being the best you... now that to me is success. It really is in the journey, not the destination, and is hardly something people who aren't extremely close to you would know about. (To those of you who've already guessed, Viktor Frankl's heavily influenced my views here, so props to him!) "Steve Jobs dated stars..." part was total crap. The only thing I've ever found in that kind of "success" is emptiness. Give me a hard problem, and let me have a crack at it... I only fail, if I give up out of fear of what I perceive as "ultimate failure" of not being able to solve the problem. The biggest fail in this article to me was how he's supposedly a dad of three and that part barely gets a mention beyond his license plate. I'm a dad of 3, and it's hard as hell trying to keep up with everything & I love it! I was looking forward to see how Linus does it, and apparently it's by having an interesting license plate... (link bait)

rada 15y ago
To your last point, something I thought interesting: the kernel _reboot() system accepts his daughters birthdays as magic values. http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/reboot.h;h=e0879a70e830e29847cc9ba9b9f4d6851d8e3c4d http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6...

yason 15y ago

I think that the only reason you actually want lots of money is that you can do what you desire and not have to worry about spending time to actually make a living. Torvalds at least has that covered.

ma2rten 15y ago
The other reason is so that you can buy expensive stuff to impress your peers, but Linus found another way to impress his peers as well.
- itmag 15y ago
  The third reason is so you can change the world.
  - slowpoke 15y ago
    Linus didn't and doesn't need money to change the world. He already did, and continues to do so.