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> Are they discontinuing support for their previous phones any sooner? Are they cutting the warranty for them or stopping holding parts for them? Well obviousl

> Are they discontinuing support for their previous phones any sooner? Are they cutting the warranty for them or stopping holding parts for them? Well obviously they can't back down on their promise to support FP4 for 5 years. But for example back in the FP2 era they went above and beyond and released Android 10 6 years after the release of the FP2. With more and more product lines to support, it seems less likely that such a thing would be feasible in future (limited resources and all that). > Does the existence of a Fairphone 5 make any practical difference to an owner of an FP4? Or is it just the concern that some people will think, "Wah, this isn't the company's latest phone any more!" and upgrade sooner than they might otherwise? A bit of both, I think. The reality is a lot of consumers are still in the mindset that there's no problem with their individual behavior ("it's the fault of Exxon that our planet is doomed, not little ol' me buying a new phone every year!"). So Fairphone is enabling that bad behaviour, here. Also, by matching the release cadence of the other companies, they're sending a signal that such a thing is okay (I think it isn't). Releasing "upgrade kits" that encourage consumers to extend the life of their handset by another couple of years, is a very different signal.

Moldoteck 3y ago
Is there a company that provides upgrade kit? At all? Afaik it's impossible due to complexity, even google had something similar in mind but dropped the idea bc it's too hard
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- gameoverhumans 3y ago
  https://uk.pcmag.com/accessories-5/90964/new-camera-modules-make-fairphone-2-worth-a-second-look https://uk.pcmag.com/accessories-5/90964/new-camera-modules-... https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791-Fairphone-3-FAQ https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791... Also a different form factor, but look at what Framework laptops are doing. You can upgrade every part, including the mainboare, individually. If it's possible for an ultrabook form factor, it should be possible for a slate handset form factor (IMO)
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    Laptops were always upgradable, I'm interested more in upgradable phones, since tech stack is quite different due to Qualcomm Didn't knew fp3+ exists, thanks
cooperadymas 3y ago
> The reality is a lot of consumers are still in the mindset that there's no problem with their individual behavior ("it's the fault of Exxon that our planet is doomed, not little ol' me buying a new phone every year!"). So Fairphone is enabling that bad behaviour, here. So it is the individual's fault, except it's not the individual's fault?
lozenge 3y ago
Individual consumer behaviour has never achieved anything. It did not create the minimum wage, 5 day week, end slavery, stop workers being locked in factories, stop toxic pollution in US waterways, etc. That was all done by unions and democratic institutions.

Moldoteck 3y ago

Is there a company that provides upgrade kit? At all? Afaik it's impossible due to complexity, even google had something similar in mind but dropped the idea bc it's too hard

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gameoverhumans 3y ago
https://uk.pcmag.com/accessories-5/90964/new-camera-modules-make-fairphone-2-worth-a-second-look https://uk.pcmag.com/accessories-5/90964/new-camera-modules-... https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791-Fairphone-3-FAQ https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791... Also a different form factor, but look at what Framework laptops are doing. You can upgrade every part, including the mainboare, individually. If it's possible for an ultrabook form factor, it should be possible for a slate handset form factor (IMO)
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  Laptops were always upgradable, I'm interested more in upgradable phones, since tech stack is quite different due to Qualcomm Didn't knew fp3+ exists, thanks

cooperadymas 3y ago

> The reality is a lot of consumers are still in the mindset that there's no problem with their individual behavior ("it's the fault of Exxon that our planet is doomed, not little ol' me buying a new phone every year!"). So Fairphone is enabling that bad behaviour, here. So it is the individual's fault, except it's not the individual's fault?

lozenge 3y ago

Individual consumer behaviour has never achieved anything. It did not create the minimum wage, 5 day week, end slavery, stop workers being locked in factories, stop toxic pollution in US waterways, etc. That was all done by unions and democratic institutions.