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I’d love for this to come to the US, but I’d have a hard time switching because of iMessage. If you care about e2e encrypted messaging in the US, running an iPh

I’d love for this to come to the US, but I’d have a hard time switching because of iMessage. If you care about e2e encrypted messaging in the US, running an iPhone is really your only option. It’s a shame.

esel2k 3y ago
Is WhatsApp not common in the US? Here its the number 1 application but even without SMS is mostly unlimited free in all subscriptions.
- skepticATX 3y ago
  It's not uncommon, but it's likely that the majority of people you communicate with will not actively use WhatsApp. iMessage truly is dominate, especially among younger people who lean towards iPhone even more.
  - abwizz 3y ago
    counterpoint from a euro, born around when linux came out. using an iphone for 5y+ and have never recieved or sent an imessage.
dsauerbrun 3y ago
I thought rcs provides this and is supposed to be a better alternative than iMessage... am I mistaken?
- skepticATX 3y ago
  It does, but the majority of people in the US use iPhones so unless Apple decides to support it, it's somewhat irrelevant.
Moldoteck 3y ago
Afaik beeper app can work with iMessage no problem. They use a stack of iphones to provide this feature so you may want to check it
yaky 3y ago
Signal, WhatsApp, Matrix, XMPP all support E2EE. You can even host your own server for Matrix and XMPP. In my experience, much more difficult problem is convincing people to install one of those to communicate with you. Network effects and the power of defaults and all.
- skepticATX 3y ago
  Yeah, that is what I mean. I have my own Matrix server and also use Signal, but the majority of people that I communicate with either use SMS (usually unknowingly) because they are on Android, or use iMessage.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Not to pick on you specifically but HN sure has a way to dismiss "principle" over the tiniest of nitpicks. Apple could be murdering puppies but man, their touchpad is just 2% more pleasant than the competition, sorry! My hands are tied!

esel2k 3y ago

Is WhatsApp not common in the US? Here its the number 1 application but even without SMS is mostly unlimited free in all subscriptions.

skepticATX 3y ago
It's not uncommon, but it's likely that the majority of people you communicate with will not actively use WhatsApp. iMessage truly is dominate, especially among younger people who lean towards iPhone even more.
- abwizz 3y ago
  counterpoint from a euro, born around when linux came out. using an iphone for 5y+ and have never recieved or sent an imessage.

dsauerbrun 3y ago

I thought rcs provides this and is supposed to be a better alternative than iMessage... am I mistaken?

skepticATX 3y ago
It does, but the majority of people in the US use iPhones so unless Apple decides to support it, it's somewhat irrelevant.

Moldoteck 3y ago

Afaik beeper app can work with iMessage no problem. They use a stack of iphones to provide this feature so you may want to check it

yaky 3y ago

Signal, WhatsApp, Matrix, XMPP all support E2EE. You can even host your own server for Matrix and XMPP. In my experience, much more difficult problem is convincing people to install one of those to communicate with you. Network effects and the power of defaults and all.

skepticATX 3y ago
Yeah, that is what I mean. I have my own Matrix server and also use Signal, but the majority of people that I communicate with either use SMS (usually unknowingly) because they are on Android, or use iMessage.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

Not to pick on you specifically but HN sure has a way to dismiss "principle" over the tiniest of nitpicks. Apple could be murdering puppies but man, their touchpad is just 2% more pleasant than the competition, sorry! My hands are tied!