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I wouldn't return to more rural areas if 100% WFH is possible. Some left it for a reason and not to get better internet. And, at least in germany, many rural a

I wouldn't return to more rural areas if 100% WFH is possible. Some left it for a reason and not to get better internet. And, at least in germany, many rural areas are not so unattractive. I know plenty rural villages with great internet. Especially in BW public transport is solid, the next bigger population center is close by and there are many jobs. It's just conservative, culturally boring, inflexible and really set in their old ways.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Nobody said all rural areas are attractive places to live. And yes, part of the problem nobody wants to go back isn't jus the "vibe" and lack of "hip culture, art scene and hipster cafes", but that basic infrastructure like good schools, teachers, hospitals, doctors offices and specialists, have been left to rot and they also moved out of the city(the younger generation) or just retired and died along with the town, so bringing all that back to life is nearly impossible as now it's a catch-22, nobody wants to move there because there are no good doctors and teachers, and there are no good doctors and teachers because there's nothing there. >It's just conservative, culturally boring, inflexible and really set in their old ways. But then we can't complain that the hip and open minded urban areas are too expensive when everyone runs away from the rural areas to the same handful of hip cities. Maybe it's our duty as well to try and push for the change we want in those places, instead of always packing our bags and leaving for the cities that are livable on paper because they already share our mentality but in the process crowding them to the point where the stress around housing makes them unlivable in practice unless you're super wealthy.
- LeanderK 3y ago
  this is not true across the bank. Of course if you're really deep into depopulated rural areas then there is really a lack of basic social services. But it's not that there's only high-density cities and deserted landscapes, there are still rural areas with schools and doctors. Rural areas that are doing comparatively well, somewhat maintain their population. Also, many cities with a lot of population growth also struggle to provide those services as there are not enough doctors or teachers for all, so you might be able find comparatively better schooling in the right rural areas. In some rural areas there's a really conservative, tight-knit mindset. A deep resentment for somebody different and a very specific world-view really dominating the area. This is not about hipster-cafes, but about some basic progress in society some parts just try to not be part of. Rural is also more isolated and there's just strictly less to do. Fine if you want to spend most of your time inside your family circle or the same two people you grew up with. But some just can't cope with that.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >In some rural areas there's a really conservative, tight-knit mindset. A deep resentment for somebody different and a very specific world-view really dominating the area. This is not about hipster-cafes, but about some basic progress in society some parts just try to not be part of. Boomers are like that almost everywhere. They vehemently reject the current status of realty and want only to live in their own version. I told some Bavarian boomers a while ago that housing is unaffordable and they were insisting that's nonsense that we're all lazy that back then they could buy a house if they worked hard and saved, so I pulled out a ballpen and the beer coaster on the table, pulled out my phone with the property price numbers, the average wage numbers and the bank loan calculators to prove it to them with the napkin math on the beer coaster, and they were like "huh, I didn't know it was that bad, it expected it would be better today". They just live in their own bubble refusing to do the basic research on how the world currently is, but instead try to strongarm everyone into their warped reality without caring that they might be wrong.
danaris 3y ago
> I wouldn't return to more rural areas if 100% WFH is possible. .....Then this isn't about you? Not every solution has to be 100% perfect for every person. What FirmwareBurner suggests is a very good idea, and would unquestionably be helpful and attractive to many. If you don't want to take advantage of it, then just...don't?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Nobody said all rural areas are attractive places to live. And yes, part of the problem nobody wants to go back isn't jus the "vibe" and lack of "hip culture, art scene and hipster cafes", but that basic infrastructure like good schools, teachers, hospitals, doctors offices and specialists, have been left to rot and they also moved out of the city(the younger generation) or just retired and died along with the town, so bringing all that back to life is nearly impossible as now it's a catch-22, nobody wants to move there because there are no good doctors and teachers, and there are no good doctors and teachers because there's nothing there. >It's just conservative, culturally boring, inflexible and really set in their old ways. But then we can't complain that the hip and open minded urban areas are too expensive when everyone runs away from the rural areas to the same handful of hip cities. Maybe it's our duty as well to try and push for the change we want in those places, instead of always packing our bags and leaving for the cities that are livable on paper because they already share our mentality but in the process crowding them to the point where the stress around housing makes them unlivable in practice unless you're super wealthy.

LeanderK 3y ago
this is not true across the bank. Of course if you're really deep into depopulated rural areas then there is really a lack of basic social services. But it's not that there's only high-density cities and deserted landscapes, there are still rural areas with schools and doctors. Rural areas that are doing comparatively well, somewhat maintain their population. Also, many cities with a lot of population growth also struggle to provide those services as there are not enough doctors or teachers for all, so you might be able find comparatively better schooling in the right rural areas. In some rural areas there's a really conservative, tight-knit mindset. A deep resentment for somebody different and a very specific world-view really dominating the area. This is not about hipster-cafes, but about some basic progress in society some parts just try to not be part of. Rural is also more isolated and there's just strictly less to do. Fine if you want to spend most of your time inside your family circle or the same two people you grew up with. But some just can't cope with that.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >In some rural areas there's a really conservative, tight-knit mindset. A deep resentment for somebody different and a very specific world-view really dominating the area. This is not about hipster-cafes, but about some basic progress in society some parts just try to not be part of. Boomers are like that almost everywhere. They vehemently reject the current status of realty and want only to live in their own version. I told some Bavarian boomers a while ago that housing is unaffordable and they were insisting that's nonsense that we're all lazy that back then they could buy a house if they worked hard and saved, so I pulled out a ballpen and the beer coaster on the table, pulled out my phone with the property price numbers, the average wage numbers and the bank loan calculators to prove it to them with the napkin math on the beer coaster, and they were like "huh, I didn't know it was that bad, it expected it would be better today". They just live in their own bubble refusing to do the basic research on how the world currently is, but instead try to strongarm everyone into their warped reality without caring that they might be wrong.

danaris 3y ago

> I wouldn't return to more rural areas if 100% WFH is possible. .....Then this isn't about you? Not every solution has to be 100% perfect for every person. What FirmwareBurner suggests is a very good idea, and would unquestionably be helpful and attractive to many. If you don't want to take advantage of it, then just...don't?