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The problem isn't land owners it's landlords. Renting should be illegal and anyone caught accepting rent should lose his property to the renter. Owning a lot o

The problem isn't land owners it's landlords. Renting should be illegal and anyone caught accepting rent should lose his property to the renter. Owning a lot of land/houses isn't really the problem. It's when you're not using them that's the problem. You should just sell and not leech on society by renting.

zabzonk 3y ago
i happily rented places for all of the 1970s - things went a bit wild after that
sillystate2023 3y ago
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cpursley 3y ago
Could you elaborate more about what you mean and how this would work? Where do young adults live? Where do new residents in a city live?
- aelhage 3y ago
  Not to mention the people that choose to rent. We can argue over how much landlords deserve, but they should generally be providing a service as well - maintaining the property and shielding the tenant from some of the risk. I wonder if in this hypothetical "no renting" scenario we'd see complete home maintenance service companies take their place. It would be an improvement - you can fire them without moving, but I don't think we could expect them to be any less exploitative than landlords are now.
- jppittma 3y ago
  There could be a government mortage program like the student loan program.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - dagw 3y ago
    If I'm moving to a new city/country for a job (or university), I don't want to buy a place on day 1. I want to rent for a year or so to see if this is a place I actually want to live. This is even more true if I'm moving there on a shorter term contract.
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  Public/social housing. Vienna already does this.[1] Another example: in 2021 the city of Berlin acquired 15k units from corporate landlords bringing the total publicly-owned units to about 20% the total of rental units in the city.[2] >Experts refer to Vienna’s Gemeindebauten as “social housing,” a phrase that captures how the city’s public housing and other limited-profit housing are a widely shared social benefit: The Gemeindebauten welcome the middle class, not just the poor. In Vienna, a whopping 80 percent of residents qualify for public housing, and once you have a contract, it never expires, even if you get richer. Housing experts believe that this approach leads to greater economic diversity within public housing — and better outcomes for the people living in it. [1] https://archive.is/P2Vad https://archive.is/P2Vad [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/magazine/vienna-social-housing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/magazine/vienna-social-ho... [1] https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_article_011314.html https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_articl... [2] https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-elections-berlin-national-elections-bed7d906fd5dfa47b948d78eea27819c https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-elections-berlin-...
  - em-bee 3y ago
    In Vienna, a whopping 80 percent of residents qualify for public housing but only 0.5 million out of an almost 2 million population do live in public housing, and it takes several years before you can get such a place.
fallingknife 3y ago
I don't want to buy a house. I want to rent from a landlord. Why do you people always want to force me to buy a damn house?
midoridensha 3y ago
This opinion is out of some kind of fantasy land. What if I want to live in a place for 1 year, or even 6 months, then go somewhere else? What am I supposed to do, buy a place (paying 6% in fees), and then sell it again after 6 months, paying 6% again? How idiotic. There's a reason people rent, and it's not because they can't afford a house.
praptak 3y ago
> not leech on society by renting All income from capital is renting.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  What really is difference between owning a stock and property? Or a bond... If we ban renting, why not ban other type of capitalism as well?
  - wildrhythms 3y ago
    >What really is difference between owning a stock and property Well one of those things is needed for human survival.
    - Ekaros 3y ago
      So we should ban owning farm land? Or maybe electricity/fossil fuel production? Those are also needed for human survival.
jppittma 3y ago
I think this needs a bit more nuance. Renting because you can't afford to own is obviously a scam. Financially literate people don't tolerate this sort of thing with cars/furniture, but are put in a position with housing where we don't have a choice.
- fallingknife 3y ago
  We don't tolerate it for cars and furniture because you can take them with you when you move. If I had to sell my car and buy a new one every time I moved, you can be damn sure I would rather rent one. And buying/selling cars is a lot easier than houses. Another thing to consider is that houses come with a 6% commission to pay the agents. If I have to move a few years later, and can't sell the house for 6% more than I bought it, I have to take a capital loss.
xscott 3y ago
> Renting should be illegal Are you going to make hotels illegal too?

zabzonk 3y ago

i happily rented places for all of the 1970s - things went a bit wild after that

sillystate2023 3y ago

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cpursley 3y ago

Could you elaborate more about what you mean and how this would work? Where do young adults live? Where do new residents in a city live?

aelhage 3y ago
Not to mention the people that choose to rent. We can argue over how much landlords deserve, but they should generally be providing a service as well - maintaining the property and shielding the tenant from some of the risk. I wonder if in this hypothetical "no renting" scenario we'd see complete home maintenance service companies take their place. It would be an improvement - you can fire them without moving, but I don't think we could expect them to be any less exploitative than landlords are now.
jppittma 3y ago
There could be a government mortage program like the student loan program.
- deleted 3y ago
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- dagw 3y ago
  If I'm moving to a new city/country for a job (or university), I don't want to buy a place on day 1. I want to rent for a year or so to see if this is a place I actually want to live. This is even more true if I'm moving there on a shorter term contract.
wildrhythms 3y ago
Public/social housing. Vienna already does this.[1] Another example: in 2021 the city of Berlin acquired 15k units from corporate landlords bringing the total publicly-owned units to about 20% the total of rental units in the city.[2] >Experts refer to Vienna’s Gemeindebauten as “social housing,” a phrase that captures how the city’s public housing and other limited-profit housing are a widely shared social benefit: The Gemeindebauten welcome the middle class, not just the poor. In Vienna, a whopping 80 percent of residents qualify for public housing, and once you have a contract, it never expires, even if you get richer. Housing experts believe that this approach leads to greater economic diversity within public housing — and better outcomes for the people living in it. [1] https://archive.is/P2Vad https://archive.is/P2Vad [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/magazine/vienna-social-housing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/magazine/vienna-social-ho... [1] https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_article_011314.html https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_articl... [2] https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-elections-berlin-national-elections-bed7d906fd5dfa47b948d78eea27819c https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-elections-berlin-...
- em-bee 3y ago
  In Vienna, a whopping 80 percent of residents qualify for public housing but only 0.5 million out of an almost 2 million population do live in public housing, and it takes several years before you can get such a place.

fallingknife 3y ago

I don't want to buy a house. I want to rent from a landlord. Why do you people always want to force me to buy a damn house?

midoridensha 3y ago

This opinion is out of some kind of fantasy land. What if I want to live in a place for 1 year, or even 6 months, then go somewhere else? What am I supposed to do, buy a place (paying 6% in fees), and then sell it again after 6 months, paying 6% again? How idiotic. There's a reason people rent, and it's not because they can't afford a house.

praptak 3y ago

> not leech on society by renting All income from capital is renting.

Ekaros 3y ago
What really is difference between owning a stock and property? Or a bond... If we ban renting, why not ban other type of capitalism as well?
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  >What really is difference between owning a stock and property Well one of those things is needed for human survival.
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    So we should ban owning farm land? Or maybe electricity/fossil fuel production? Those are also needed for human survival.

jppittma 3y ago

I think this needs a bit more nuance. Renting because you can't afford to own is obviously a scam. Financially literate people don't tolerate this sort of thing with cars/furniture, but are put in a position with housing where we don't have a choice.

fallingknife 3y ago
We don't tolerate it for cars and furniture because you can take them with you when you move. If I had to sell my car and buy a new one every time I moved, you can be damn sure I would rather rent one. And buying/selling cars is a lot easier than houses. Another thing to consider is that houses come with a 6% commission to pay the agents. If I have to move a few years later, and can't sell the house for 6% more than I bought it, I have to take a capital loss.

xscott 3y ago

> Renting should be illegal Are you going to make hotels illegal too?