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Fixed that: "That should not [need to] be a criminal offence." Much like many other things. But, alas, we do not yet live in a world where people treat each o
by zimpenfish 3y ago
Fixed that: "That should not [need to] be a criminal offence."
Much like many other things. But, alas, we do not yet live in a world where people treat each other with even the simplest basic respect and we have to force the issue via laws.
- bjourne 3y agoI'll bite. Why does deadnaming have to be a criminal offence?
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoI think it depends on where (or even if) you draw the line on free speech when it comes to verbal harassment. Here's a quick test. Let's say Bob goes for a walk, but Bob's neighbor, John, is a complete dick and whenever Bob leaves his house to go for a walk, John follows him and just hurls non-stop insults at Bob. Should John's behavior be illegal? You could argue that as long as he's not trespassing anywhere, and he has the right to free speech, then John should be legally allowed to do this. In that case, it makes no sense to make deadnaming a criminal offense. There's no discussion to be had, as we've decided that asshole-ish speech is not illegal. If you say no, it's verbal harassment, and should be illegal, then you're saying free speech does have limits, and we just gotta decide if deadnaming is bad enough to be illegal.
- zirgs 3y agoThis kind of behaviour would most likely be prosecuted as harassment/stalking instead of hate speech/libel. So unless you follow someone around and harass them - just saying someone's so-called "deadname" shouldn't be illegal.
- bjourne 3y agoJohn's behavior already is illegal in most Western jurisdictions. Your example does not demonstrate why deadnaming in particular needs to be a criminal offense.
- concordDance 3y agoShould it be a criminal offense to call someone a useless layabout who will never amount to anything and should have been aborted? I worry that we've started to use the ponderous blunt government legal system more and more widely for things that used to be resolved via society and community censure. The law should be restricted to the most serious and large scale community disrupting acts, not for policing every bit of cheating, insults and lying. It's very unsuited for the latter.
- greyface- 3y ago> things that used to be resolved via society and community censure Hurricane declining to accept KiwiFarms' /36 into its BGP table is community censure.
- concordDance 3y agoAnd I think I agree that is the right level for this sort of thing to take place, even if I might disagree with both the specific decision and whether this sort of entity (monopoly level ISPs) should be able to make that decision.
- bluescrn 3y agoWhat is the 'community' in this case? The entire globe, all Internet users? On a local scale, 'community censure' may work well. But not so much on a global scale, where a few determined activists anywhere in the world have the power to get a person fired, take away various online accounts or services, or maybe even have their banking services removed, all over issues of 'speech', with no due process.
- greyface- 3y agoThe community of network operators exchanging routes over BGP. Get yourself an ASN and some IP space and join us! At the end of the day, the Internet is a collection of independent networks, interconnected voluntarily when there is mutual benefit to doing so.
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- Hamuko 3y agoForcing people to be courteous via the legal system sounds like an excellent way to make a criminal out of everyone.
- zimpenfish 3y agoSure but what else can you do these days?
- Hamuko 3y agoNot doing it seems like a perfectly good alternative.
- account42 3y agoYou could try not being offended.
- zimpenfish 3y agoEqually, you could try not being offensive.