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Lol. EFF are now a bunch of virtue signalling hacks pretending to care about Internet free speech. They outed themselves as total hypocrites when they joined t

Lol. EFF are now a bunch of virtue signalling hacks pretending to care about Internet free speech. They outed themselves as total hypocrites when they joined the "RMS is an <X>ist" bandwagon and removed Gilmore from their board. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-... http://techrights.org/2021/11/05/not-the-frontier-anymore/ http://techrights.org/2021/11/05/not-the-frontier-anymore/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/25/john_gilmore_removed_from_eff_board/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/25/john_gilmore_removed_...

teachrdan 3y ago
> They outed themselves as total hypocrites when they joined the "RMS is an <X>ist" bandwagon Are you suggesting that, because of his work writing and promoting open source software, that EFF should never be allowed to criticize RMS? Is that what makes them "total hypocrites"?
- b215826 3y ago
  No, the EFF is allowed to criticize RMS as much as they want. Criticizing RMS doesn't make them hypocritical. However, linking [1] and spreading slanderous lies (I'm talking about Selam G.'s hitpieces [2] from 2019) isn't very fitting for an organization that claims to defend Internet free speech. RMS never defended Epstein -- not even once. His only crime was being a pedantic aspie. If the EFF considers that to be good enough reason to cancel him, then yes, I think that EFF are total hypocrites. FWIW, EFF's official blog post only linked Selam G.'s hitpiece that has been thoroughly debunked elsewhere [3]. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-... [2] https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... [3] https://stallmansupport.org https://stallmansupport.org
  - teachrdan 3y ago
    > His only crime was being a pedantic aspie. If you actually read the article by Selam G., you'll immediately see that this is false. "When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don’t know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him." This is clearly a case of sexual coercion. If, due to autism, RMS was totally unable to avoid sexually harassing women he had power over, then clearly he should never have had a position of power in FSF or anywhere else. "Many, many years ago, women in the AI and CS labs met to deal with the problematic atmosphere for women in the labs. We met as a group, discussed the issues, complied examples, presented them to the labs, then wrote a report. In the early 80’s, it was a pretty big deal but it would seem it did not have lasting effects." RMS clearly harmed many women over many years. It's telling that people like you never acknowledge the accounts of women who have specific, individual complaints against him. Even the Stallman Support page you link to has a bunch of pedantic corrections over whether RMS "really" defended Epstein, in addition to generic articles about cancel culture that say nothing about RMS harassing women grad students at MIT. EFF was correct in criticizing RMS. He shouldn't have been on the board of FSF or any other organization. https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix...
    - b215826 3y ago
      Selam G. was paraphrasing an anecdotal #metoo comment by an anonymous source that was backed up by zero evidence. If that's good enough evidence for EFF to call for someone's head, then they're worse than hypocrites. And the law schools that gave degrees to their lawyers should consider rescinding them, since they clearly don't seem to know a thing about law.
      - teachrdan 3y ago
        "Alumni from as far back as the 1980’s reached out to me and told horrifying stories" -- so the firsthand accounts of sexual harassment by RMS are not anonymous, as they are known to the person writing the article.

teachrdan 3y ago

> They outed themselves as total hypocrites when they joined the "RMS is an <X>ist" bandwagon Are you suggesting that, because of his work writing and promoting open source software, that EFF should never be allowed to criticize RMS? Is that what makes them "total hypocrites"?

b215826 3y ago
No, the EFF is allowed to criticize RMS as much as they want. Criticizing RMS doesn't make them hypocritical. However, linking [1] and spreading slanderous lies (I'm talking about Selam G.'s hitpieces [2] from 2019) isn't very fitting for an organization that claims to defend Internet free speech. RMS never defended Epstein -- not even once. His only crime was being a pedantic aspie. If the EFF considers that to be good enough reason to cancel him, then yes, I think that EFF are total hypocrites. FWIW, EFF's official blog post only linked Selam G.'s hitpiece that has been thoroughly debunked elsewhere [3]. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-... [2] https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... [3] https://stallmansupport.org https://stallmansupport.org
- teachrdan 3y ago
  > His only crime was being a pedantic aspie. If you actually read the article by Selam G., you'll immediately see that this is false. "When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don’t know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him." This is clearly a case of sexual coercion. If, due to autism, RMS was totally unable to avoid sexually harassing women he had power over, then clearly he should never have had a position of power in FSF or anywhere else. "Many, many years ago, women in the AI and CS labs met to deal with the problematic atmosphere for women in the labs. We met as a group, discussed the issues, complied examples, presented them to the labs, then wrote a report. In the early 80’s, it was a pretty big deal but it would seem it did not have lasting effects." RMS clearly harmed many women over many years. It's telling that people like you never acknowledge the accounts of women who have specific, individual complaints against him. Even the Stallman Support page you link to has a bunch of pedantic corrections over whether RMS "really" defended Epstein, in addition to generic articles about cancel culture that say nothing about RMS harassing women grad students at MIT. EFF was correct in criticizing RMS. He shouldn't have been on the board of FSF or any other organization. https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix...
  - b215826 3y ago
    Selam G. was paraphrasing an anecdotal #metoo comment by an anonymous source that was backed up by zero evidence. If that's good enough evidence for EFF to call for someone's head, then they're worse than hypocrites. And the law schools that gave degrees to their lawyers should consider rescinding them, since they clearly don't seem to know a thing about law.
    - teachrdan 3y ago
      "Alumni from as far back as the 1980’s reached out to me and told horrifying stories" -- so the firsthand accounts of sexual harassment by RMS are not anonymous, as they are known to the person writing the article.