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I don't think the Germans now accept your reasoning and your specific story doesn't really provide support for it. Countries have laws againt hate speech and l

by t43562 3y ago

I don't think the Germans now accept your reasoning and your specific story doesn't really provide support for it. Countries have laws againt hate speech and libel because we realise that these are evil forms of "free speech". We have laws about every action that we can do because those actions can harm other people and speech is another action which can harm others.

cf141q5325 3y ago
There is a real chance the next German election might result in an AFD government. Which after years of tribalistic conflict left them in a state where the most extreme positions are in control. Just thinking that you ought to have those kinds of laws doesnt mean applying them wont result in a tragedy. Edit: Might have misunderstood your reference. The KPD NSDAP dynamic is often referenced as the "verängstigte Bürgertum". It was quite the popular reference during Pegida, but it has been a common explanation since it happened and isnt just a modern take. The coups during Weimar, and the political reactions to them has to be seen in that light as well. Can recommend Heinrich Hannovers "Politische Justiz 1918–1933" on the atmosphere of the time. Edit1: His "Die Republik vor Gericht 1954-1995" is also something i would recommend reading for a more realistic view of Western Germany. And Ingo Müllers Furchtbare Juristen. Might be worth reminding people that actual nazis got quite the nice treatment till very recently. The current wave of prosecutions against KZ guards is a historical abnormality, unless the allies actually hung you you got away with a slap on the wrist and in good social standing. Because you were needed against the Soviets. A AFD/CDU might get really bad, there were already CDU politicians during the burning refugee housings in the 90s that argued for more compassion for the drunk piss stained mob. There was this great picture of a piss stained drunk doing a nazi salute during one of the Pogroms that i cant find on google and bing anymore. But luckily i dont have to worry about such things anymore because everyone means well.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
They should indeed support democracy and freedom of expression. That many do not can only be an indictment of the education system. The quite recent turn to listen to your fears and trying to curb wrong opinions very likely made things worse than they could have been. Vanity and fear set the current strategy and it really does not help.

by t43562 3y ago

cf141q5325 3y ago

There is a real chance the next German election might result in an AFD government. Which after years of tribalistic conflict left them in a state where the most extreme positions are in control. Just thinking that you ought to have those kinds of laws doesnt mean applying them wont result in a tragedy. Edit: Might have misunderstood your reference. The KPD NSDAP dynamic is often referenced as the "verängstigte Bürgertum". It was quite the popular reference during Pegida, but it has been a common explanation since it happened and isnt just a modern take. The coups during Weimar, and the political reactions to them has to be seen in that light as well. Can recommend Heinrich Hannovers "Politische Justiz 1918–1933" on the atmosphere of the time. Edit1: His "Die Republik vor Gericht 1954-1995" is also something i would recommend reading for a more realistic view of Western Germany. And Ingo Müllers Furchtbare Juristen. Might be worth reminding people that actual nazis got quite the nice treatment till very recently. The current wave of prosecutions against KZ guards is a historical abnormality, unless the allies actually hung you you got away with a slap on the wrist and in good social standing. Because you were needed against the Soviets. A AFD/CDU might get really bad, there were already CDU politicians during the burning refugee housings in the 90s that argued for more compassion for the drunk piss stained mob. There was this great picture of a piss stained drunk doing a nazi salute during one of the Pogroms that i cant find on google and bing anymore. But luckily i dont have to worry about such things anymore because everyone means well.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

They should indeed support democracy and freedom of expression. That many do not can only be an indictment of the education system. The quite recent turn to listen to your fears and trying to curb wrong opinions very likely made things worse than they could have been. Vanity and fear set the current strategy and it really does not help.