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> As I read the article, it occurred to me that one of the fundamental flaws of modern psychology (and its offshoots such as psychiatry and psychotherapy) is th

> As I read the article, it occurred to me that one of the fundamental flaws of modern psychology (and its offshoots such as psychiatry and psychotherapy) is that they all tend toward a solipsistic, individualist treatment of the self. This is by design. Psychology is intentionally about the individual and when it occasionally does look at groups it tends to do so through the lens of how a group produces value for the individual. Sociology is the study of collections of humans. It is intentionally about the group and when it occasionally looks at individuals it tends to do so through the lens of how an individual produces value for the group. This is not too dissimilar from the study of finance (generally micro, focused on individuals or companies) vs economics (generally macro, focused on the relationships between companies or countries).

xyzzy123 3y ago
Right, though I feel the OP's observation is that while sociology and psychology are both academic disciplines, there doesn't seem to be any equivalent to therapy, but applied at the community level. It feels like this is something that maybe good priests/churches used to do that accidentally got lost as society became more secular.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  > It feels like this is something that maybe good priests/churches used to do that accidentally got lost as society became more secular. Certainly, and I could expound on this point at length, but suffice it to say that the elites of most long-lived world religions have had extensive experience, knowledge and wisdom in so-called "psychology" fields for millennia. In fact, as the State disestablishes religions, something must fill the vacuum, and in fact psych*y are used much in the same way as religion formerly was. Psych*y is in fact a compulsory and State-Established Religion for most of us in the West, particularly in these United States, because of the coercive nature of the clinic and hospital system, the court-ordered treatments, the subsidized "medicine" drugs and practitioners, and so forth. Most of us can tell you, even some atheists know, that psych*y is a shitty poor excuse for a religion, and no substitute for an actual faith practice, and the way the State foists it on us today is basically abuse.

xyzzy123 3y ago

Right, though I feel the OP's observation is that while sociology and psychology are both academic disciplines, there doesn't seem to be any equivalent to therapy, but applied at the community level. It feels like this is something that maybe good priests/churches used to do that accidentally got lost as society became more secular.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
> It feels like this is something that maybe good priests/churches used to do that accidentally got lost as society became more secular. Certainly, and I could expound on this point at length, but suffice it to say that the elites of most long-lived world religions have had extensive experience, knowledge and wisdom in so-called "psychology" fields for millennia. In fact, as the State disestablishes religions, something must fill the vacuum, and in fact psych*y are used much in the same way as religion formerly was. Psych*y is in fact a compulsory and State-Established Religion for most of us in the West, particularly in these United States, because of the coercive nature of the clinic and hospital system, the court-ordered treatments, the subsidized "medicine" drugs and practitioners, and so forth. Most of us can tell you, even some atheists know, that psych*y is a shitty poor excuse for a religion, and no substitute for an actual faith practice, and the way the State foists it on us today is basically abuse.