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> The reality is that it's just a bunch of assholes gossiping about other assholes Kiwi Farms has been more than just gossip. It's been used by people to hara

> The reality is that it's just a bunch of assholes gossiping about other assholes Kiwi Farms has been more than just gossip. It's been used by people to harass people in the real world. People there have taken things way too far in the past, and that behavior has been encouraged and supported by the culture of the site. I don't think the forum should be silenced, but it's simply not accurate to say that it's nothing more than online gossip. It has at times been the source of outright harassment and abuse. I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem.

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EarlKing 3y ago
> It's been used by people to harass people in the real world. And libraries have been used by people to learn effective methods to harass or harm others in the real world. Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries! > I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem. We already have such a law. It's called Section 230. Forum operators should not be subject to tortious interference, criminal harassment, or other manner of extrajudicial punishment because they choose to exercise speech that you find repugnant.
- chonkerz 3y ago
  The operator of the forum has made harassing statements himself, and he has already lost his section 230 protections. The first lawsuit or prosecution that comes his way will take this into account.
  - EarlKing 3y ago
    Reporting what the "victims" themselves have said is not harassment. Reporting on the extralegal actions of these "victims" is also not harassment. If you have evidence of him engaging in actual harassment as legally defined then please share it as I'm sure those inclined to see him prosecuted would love to have that information. Don't worry... I'll wait.
    - chonkerz 3y ago
      There is a lot of dox on Kiwifarms and I am not linking directly to it and getting my HN account banned. You have to look for it yourself. Don't wait around.
- autoexec 3y ago
  > Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries! You can put that straw man away. I made it clear that I didn't think the site should be shut down. I was only saying that its content and impact shouldn't be misrepresented as mere gossip.
StanislavPetrov 3y ago
To suggest that Kiwi Farms has been used to harass and terrorize more people than Twitter or Facebook is provably false, by orders of magnitude.
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zirgs 3y ago
Sounds like any other social media site tbh. Exactly the same things happen on facebook, twitter and elsewhere.

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EarlKing 3y ago

> It's been used by people to harass people in the real world. And libraries have been used by people to learn effective methods to harass or harm others in the real world. Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries! > I think we'd agree that it's an issue that needs to be handled with moderation and the law, but it's also a real problem. We already have such a law. It's called Section 230. Forum operators should not be subject to tortious interference, criminal harassment, or other manner of extrajudicial punishment because they choose to exercise speech that you find repugnant.

chonkerz 3y ago
The operator of the forum has made harassing statements himself, and he has already lost his section 230 protections. The first lawsuit or prosecution that comes his way will take this into account.
- EarlKing 3y ago
  Reporting what the "victims" themselves have said is not harassment. Reporting on the extralegal actions of these "victims" is also not harassment. If you have evidence of him engaging in actual harassment as legally defined then please share it as I'm sure those inclined to see him prosecuted would love to have that information. Don't worry... I'll wait.
  - chonkerz 3y ago
    There is a lot of dox on Kiwifarms and I am not linking directly to it and getting my HN account banned. You have to look for it yourself. Don't wait around.
autoexec 3y ago
> Quick! Let's shut down all the libraries! You can put that straw man away. I made it clear that I didn't think the site should be shut down. I was only saying that its content and impact shouldn't be misrepresented as mere gossip.

StanislavPetrov 3y ago

To suggest that Kiwi Farms has been used to harass and terrorize more people than Twitter or Facebook is provably false, by orders of magnitude.

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zirgs 3y ago

Sounds like any other social media site tbh. Exactly the same things happen on facebook, twitter and elsewhere.