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I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think the founding fathers could not anticipate the world we have today. The problem of course being that intelligence test

by bb88 3y ago

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think the founding fathers could not anticipate the world we have today. The problem of course being that intelligence tests were used in the 60's to deny voting rights. But the founding fathers were okay with slavery, so would they have been okay with that for that purpose? Originalism has a purpose I think, but, we've changed so much since then...

chonkerz 3y ago
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- refurb 3y ago
  Wow, I take it you haven’t read much about them then? Because that statement is 100% false.
  - plagiarist 3y ago
    Then why didn't they write the founding documents so that black people would be free and women and black people could vote? Would have saved us a lot of conflict over the years.
    - refurb 3y ago
      Because, at the time, those beliefs were not universal, and a compromise was made as formation of the Republic would likely not have happened otherwise. All the writings of the Founding Fathers are free and publicly available. You can learn all about it.
      - plagiarist 3y ago
        I like learning, link us to some quotes.
        refurb 3y ago
        Like any subject, I’d you want a respectable understanding it’s going to take some commitment to studying key documents, not just reading. A few quotes. You don’t get smarter reading a few 140 characters tweets.
      - lostlogin 3y ago
        That might explain the document, but that doesn’t explain some of them keeping slaves themselves. Jefferson even went on to be president and while he did things to restrict the trade, he kept slaves and opposed some measure to restrict slavery (for reasons much as you describe). https://www.crf-usa.org/images/t2t/pdf/HowShouldWeJudgeOurNation.pdf https://www.crf-usa.org/images/t2t/pdf/HowShouldWeJudgeOurNa... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery
    - CutieConstable 3y ago
      Because it would have tore up the social and economic fabric of significant parts of the US. The Founders were ahead of their time, but they still recognized that the vast majority of their countrymen were not.

by bb88 3y ago

chonkerz 3y ago

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refurb 3y ago
Wow, I take it you haven’t read much about them then? Because that statement is 100% false.
- plagiarist 3y ago
  Then why didn't they write the founding documents so that black people would be free and women and black people could vote? Would have saved us a lot of conflict over the years.
  - refurb 3y ago
    Because, at the time, those beliefs were not universal, and a compromise was made as formation of the Republic would likely not have happened otherwise. All the writings of the Founding Fathers are free and publicly available. You can learn all about it.
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      I like learning, link us to some quotes.
      - refurb 3y ago
        Like any subject, I’d you want a respectable understanding it’s going to take some commitment to studying key documents, not just reading. A few quotes. You don’t get smarter reading a few 140 characters tweets.
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      That might explain the document, but that doesn’t explain some of them keeping slaves themselves. Jefferson even went on to be president and while he did things to restrict the trade, he kept slaves and opposed some measure to restrict slavery (for reasons much as you describe). https://www.crf-usa.org/images/t2t/pdf/HowShouldWeJudgeOurNation.pdf https://www.crf-usa.org/images/t2t/pdf/HowShouldWeJudgeOurNa... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery
  - CutieConstable 3y ago
    Because it would have tore up the social and economic fabric of significant parts of the US. The Founders were ahead of their time, but they still recognized that the vast majority of their countrymen were not.