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Childbirth is not just some miserable medical procedure. The entire event is a pair bonding activity for the parents and child. Deleting that because it makes y

Childbirth is not just some miserable medical procedure. The entire event is a pair bonding activity for the parents and child. Deleting that because it makes you uncomfortable is unwise.

spondylosaurus 3y ago
I'm gonna guess that you're not someone who can personally get pregnant, or else you might be signing a different tune on this one, lol. Childbirth is remarkably dangerous, even under current medical standards. Even a successful natural birth tends to bring a whole host of complications afterwards, and it's not unreasonable to want to avoid that. Let me be uncharitable here: do you really think a mom would love her baby any less just because she rip open her entire perineum in the process of pushing that baby out? (If so, I guess I have bad news for C-section babies...)
- remarkEon 3y ago
  My daughter was born via c-section. I'm well aware of the complications. Childbirth is not "remarkably dangerous", this is a modernist haranguing of women that is meant to scare them. It's a natural process, and like any natural process sometimes things go wrong or not perfectly. That doesn't mean the process is worthless and we should get rid of it. I'm pointing out that the same phenomenon where "parents" of children born via surrogacy feel less of an attachment to their child would be present in the AWT situation.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
How anyone can describe the non exhaustive lists below as “uncomfortable” is beyond me. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/labor-delivery/topicinfo/complications https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/labor-delivery/topic... The above list does not even include hemorrhoids that require a hemorrhoidectomy or retained placenta, both which require an operation where the mother has to go under anesthesia. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-complications.html https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/...
- remarkEon 3y ago
  Yeah, life is hard. Tough shit.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Should one move to Somalia if they value the hard-ness of life?
    - remarkEon 3y ago
      Perhaps, if you value being a mercenary.

Childbirth is not just some miserable medical procedure. The entire event is a pair bonding activity for the parents and child. Deleting that because it makes you uncomfortable is unwise.

spondylosaurus 3y ago

I'm gonna guess that you're not someone who can personally get pregnant, or else you might be signing a different tune on this one, lol. Childbirth is remarkably dangerous, even under current medical standards. Even a successful natural birth tends to bring a whole host of complications afterwards, and it's not unreasonable to want to avoid that. Let me be uncharitable here: do you really think a mom would love her baby any less just because she rip open her entire perineum in the process of pushing that baby out? (If so, I guess I have bad news for C-section babies...)

remarkEon 3y ago
My daughter was born via c-section. I'm well aware of the complications. Childbirth is not "remarkably dangerous", this is a modernist haranguing of women that is meant to scare them. It's a natural process, and like any natural process sometimes things go wrong or not perfectly. That doesn't mean the process is worthless and we should get rid of it. I'm pointing out that the same phenomenon where "parents" of children born via surrogacy feel less of an attachment to their child would be present in the AWT situation.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

How anyone can describe the non exhaustive lists below as “uncomfortable” is beyond me. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/labor-delivery/topicinfo/complications https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/labor-delivery/topic... The above list does not even include hemorrhoids that require a hemorrhoidectomy or retained placenta, both which require an operation where the mother has to go under anesthesia. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-complications.html https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/...

remarkEon 3y ago
Yeah, life is hard. Tough shit.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Should one move to Somalia if they value the hard-ness of life?
  - remarkEon 3y ago
    Perhaps, if you value being a mercenary.