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Why does he need to be “constructive”? Because it’s nice to be nice? Are we at a vicar’s tea party? Calling the commenter a “boot licker” is an accurate critiq

Why does he need to be “constructive”? Because it’s nice to be nice? Are we at a vicar’s tea party? Calling the commenter a “boot licker” is an accurate critique of a pro-authority sycophant that has the virtue of brevity.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Why does he need to be “constructive”? We’re adults having a discussion. And it breaks HN Guidelines; “be nice” and “reply to the argument instead of calling names” [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- SQueeeeeL 3y ago
  The defacto assumption that internet discourse is a "discussion" is pretty implicitly wrong or at least very misguided. Most forums are much more in the mode of loud public arguments, which is why we have votes. Even my own comment, by continuing this conversation serves in rhetorical, political, and philosophic capacities; many of which I don't intend but are implicit to how the medium is presented
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > assumption that internet discourse is a "discussion" is pretty implicitly wrong…many forums We aren’t on many forums. We’re here. I wouldn’t think twice about that comment on e.g. Reddit. But that’s why I’m no longer there. The people who go into “loud public arguments” and win often had an adult discussion before. That an increasing fraction of world chooses to only engage in the former is creating problems and the necessity of moving important debates, including political debates, away from them.
    - SQueeeeeL 3y ago
      People use comments as a substitute for reading the article, that means whatever ideological thread is dominating the comments is also defacto going to be the mass interpretation of events. "Winning" a comment section can have relative major ideological concerns as it makes a whole community start framing events around them with certain sets of priors
deodar 3y ago
Hello, I'm not a sycophant, you can check my comment history. In this case I genuinely believe the post was borderline criminal and grossly irresponsible given the situation the world was in on March 20, 2020.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  > In this case I genuinely believe the post was borderline criminal and grossly irresponsible given the situation the world was in on March 20, 2020. You could rewrite this as "Not criminal". So you agree, the arrest was illegal. Great!
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- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  So, if someone said they wanted Brad Pitt to save them from the police, how likely do you think someone will take that seriously? I would put it in the 0.001-0.00001% possibility. If you fear the mentally ill and make policy choices on that fear, you would necessarily have to ban free speech to mitigate such low risk.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Why does he need to be “constructive”? We’re adults having a discussion. And it breaks HN Guidelines; “be nice” and “reply to the argument instead of calling names” [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

SQueeeeeL 3y ago
The defacto assumption that internet discourse is a "discussion" is pretty implicitly wrong or at least very misguided. Most forums are much more in the mode of loud public arguments, which is why we have votes. Even my own comment, by continuing this conversation serves in rhetorical, political, and philosophic capacities; many of which I don't intend but are implicit to how the medium is presented
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > assumption that internet discourse is a "discussion" is pretty implicitly wrong…many forums We aren’t on many forums. We’re here. I wouldn’t think twice about that comment on e.g. Reddit. But that’s why I’m no longer there. The people who go into “loud public arguments” and win often had an adult discussion before. That an increasing fraction of world chooses to only engage in the former is creating problems and the necessity of moving important debates, including political debates, away from them.
  - SQueeeeeL 3y ago
    People use comments as a substitute for reading the article, that means whatever ideological thread is dominating the comments is also defacto going to be the mass interpretation of events. "Winning" a comment section can have relative major ideological concerns as it makes a whole community start framing events around them with certain sets of priors

deodar 3y ago

Hello, I'm not a sycophant, you can check my comment history. In this case I genuinely believe the post was borderline criminal and grossly irresponsible given the situation the world was in on March 20, 2020.

alex_lav 3y ago
> In this case I genuinely believe the post was borderline criminal and grossly irresponsible given the situation the world was in on March 20, 2020. You could rewrite this as "Not criminal". So you agree, the arrest was illegal. Great!
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mensetmanusman 3y ago
So, if someone said they wanted Brad Pitt to save them from the police, how likely do you think someone will take that seriously? I would put it in the 0.001-0.00001% possibility. If you fear the mentally ill and make policy choices on that fear, you would necessarily have to ban free speech to mitigate such low risk.