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You're conflating "I can't get the diagnostic repair codes that Taylor can" with "Kids are going to get hurt because the machine is malfunctioning" Please stop

You're conflating "I can't get the diagnostic repair codes that Taylor can" with "Kids are going to get hurt because the machine is malfunctioning" Please stop doing that.

neilv 3y ago
See, you can casually whip out a more persuasive (or less self-defeating) argument than they did, in their presumably carefully crafted petition.
gruez 3y ago
> You're conflating "I can't get the diagnostic repair codes that Taylor can" with "Kids are going to get hurt because the machine is malfunctioning" But the article and the linked vice.com article suggests that the device isn't just decoding error codes, it's also providing a hardware bypass for safety features like lockouts.
- spiderxxxx 3y ago
  no, the article says "groups seek permission from the government to break arbitrary software locks and passwords that keep consumers and repair professionals from diagnosing and repairing equipment they own or are authorized by the owner to work on." It doesn't mention "lockouts", or bypassing safety features. It's about access to the machine, and the diagnostics that a repair person has access to, but the owner does not.
  - Clent 3y ago
    But are they authorized? These are McDonalds franchises. There is a contract. We're going to start limiting what McDonalds can do to control quality of product because the tech community thinks it knows better? Dairy is not a product to play loose with the rules on.
    - ghostpepper 3y ago
      (Semi-)Serious question: does McDonald’s soft serve “ice cream” contain dairy?
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        It does contain dairy, but they can't legally call it ice cream. (Or at least they can't call their shakes "milkshakes": https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/faq/desserts-and-shakes.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/faq/desserts-and-shakes.h... ) Q: Why don't you call your 'shakes,' 'milkshakes'? A: Great question. Our shakes contain milk from our reduced-fat soft serve, which makes them thick and creamy. Dairy regulations actually vary from state to state on what can officially be called a 'milkshake.' We like to keep it simple and refer to them strictly as 'shakes.' (Note they say "reduced-fat soft serve" and not "ice cream")
        Clent 3y ago
        I really don't want keep defending a corporation here but it's quite clear form that messaging that it may be consider ice cream in some states. If we're going to dunk on corporations can we do it for legitimate reasons?
        mcpackieh 3y ago
        They can't call it ice-cream because legally it isn't in at least some states. They likely aren't using enough cream, or they're adulterating it with other ingredients that some states don't permit. What exactly are you refuting?
        bandyaboot 3y ago
        In order to call it simply “ice cream”, it would need to have at least 10% fat content. They could choose to call it “reduced fat ice cream”, but I’m guessing they’ve decided that that doesn’t sound as appetizing to consumers as “soft serve” since to most people, “soft serve” is just a type of ice cream. Marketing finds a way. said in the voice of Ian Malcolm

You're conflating "I can't get the diagnostic repair codes that Taylor can" with "Kids are going to get hurt because the machine is malfunctioning" Please stop doing that.

neilv 3y ago

See, you can casually whip out a more persuasive (or less self-defeating) argument than they did, in their presumably carefully crafted petition.

gruez 3y ago

> You're conflating "I can't get the diagnostic repair codes that Taylor can" with "Kids are going to get hurt because the machine is malfunctioning" But the article and the linked vice.com article suggests that the device isn't just decoding error codes, it's also providing a hardware bypass for safety features like lockouts.

spiderxxxx 3y ago
no, the article says "groups seek permission from the government to break arbitrary software locks and passwords that keep consumers and repair professionals from diagnosing and repairing equipment they own or are authorized by the owner to work on." It doesn't mention "lockouts", or bypassing safety features. It's about access to the machine, and the diagnostics that a repair person has access to, but the owner does not.
- Clent 3y ago
  But are they authorized? These are McDonalds franchises. There is a contract. We're going to start limiting what McDonalds can do to control quality of product because the tech community thinks it knows better? Dairy is not a product to play loose with the rules on.
  - ghostpepper 3y ago
    (Semi-)Serious question: does McDonald’s soft serve “ice cream” contain dairy?
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      It does contain dairy, but they can't legally call it ice cream. (Or at least they can't call their shakes "milkshakes": https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/faq/desserts-and-shakes.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/faq/desserts-and-shakes.h... ) Q: Why don't you call your 'shakes,' 'milkshakes'? A: Great question. Our shakes contain milk from our reduced-fat soft serve, which makes them thick and creamy. Dairy regulations actually vary from state to state on what can officially be called a 'milkshake.' We like to keep it simple and refer to them strictly as 'shakes.' (Note they say "reduced-fat soft serve" and not "ice cream")
      - Clent 3y ago
        I really don't want keep defending a corporation here but it's quite clear form that messaging that it may be consider ice cream in some states. If we're going to dunk on corporations can we do it for legitimate reasons?
        mcpackieh 3y ago
        They can't call it ice-cream because legally it isn't in at least some states. They likely aren't using enough cream, or they're adulterating it with other ingredients that some states don't permit. What exactly are you refuting?
      - bandyaboot 3y ago
        In order to call it simply “ice cream”, it would need to have at least 10% fat content. They could choose to call it “reduced fat ice cream”, but I’m guessing they’ve decided that that doesn’t sound as appetizing to consumers as “soft serve” since to most people, “soft serve” is just a type of ice cream. Marketing finds a way. said in the voice of Ian Malcolm